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Old 07-21-08, 09:41 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Re: Gore sets 'moon shot' goal on climate change

Wonder how much stock Gore will be holding in the different major "Green" companies that would be the forefront of this moonshot.
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Old 07-21-08, 09:44 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Wonder how much stock Gore will be holding in the different major "Green" companies that would be the forefront of this moonshot.
If it was as simple as that, it would have been done by now. The problem is getting our government to support it. The businesses involved will be seeking some tax breaks, and protection from ambulance chasing, progress impeding, legal lardassses....
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No, it would have very little effect. If we increase our drilling by 10% (even if we assume that production increased by a corresponding 10%, which it wouldn't), how much would that change the overall world supply? The US only produces 12% of the world's oil, so a 10% increase in our production would add an additional 1.2% to the world's total production.
We are still the third largest producer of oil in the world. Combine the US and Canadian (or Mexican) production, and the combo is the world's largest oil producer.

A 10% increase in US production would amount to almost a million barrels of oil a day. Not an insignificant amount.
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Wonder how much stock Gore will be holding in the different major "Green" companies that would be the forefront of this moonshot.
Every politician does business according to the free market, and for this we cannot fault him. At least he has stock in companies that want to provide solutions that don't damage the environment. His ideas still need political backing, so democracy is not being usurped by his business affiliations.
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Old 07-21-08, 05:28 PM   #45 (permalink)
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We are still the third largest producer of oil in the world. Combine the US and Canadian (or Mexican) production, and the combo is the world's largest oil producer.

A 10% increase in US production would amount to almost a million barrels of oil a day. Not an insignificant amount.
Well the world consumes 84.7 million barrels per day...and that number will almost certainly be even higher by the time production is ramped up. So that would still only increase the world supply by about 1.2%.
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Old 07-22-08, 07:32 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Well the world consumes 84.7 million barrels per day...and that number will almost certainly be even higher by the time production is ramped up. So that would still only increase the world supply by about 1.2%.
Your point is number 2 on the absurd list. So, an increase of 1.2% is insignificant?? How about 10 increases of 1.2%?? How about 20 increases of 1.2%?? Any increase in supply will help keep the economy going and reduce prices until alternatives can become practical.

By the way, number 1 on the absurd list is "but, but, but, no oil will be shipped for five years, so why bother...." Now that is a silly excuse.... and a dumb one.
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Well the world consumes 84.7 million barrels per day...and that number will almost certainly be even higher by the time production is ramped up. So that would still only increase the world supply by about 1.2%.
The world should not be OUR problem, let's get more for the USA so we can buy less from importers. Then they can sell what we don't buy to the rest of the world...
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Your point is number 2 on the absurd list. So, an increase of 1.2% is insignificant??
For the purposes of creating an effective national energy policy? Yes, that's insignificant.

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How about 10 increases of 1.2%?? How about 20 increases of 1.2%??
Umm...yeah that would be significant. What's your point? Are you going to stick the oil we produce in a copy machine 10 or 20 times?

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Any increase in supply will help keep the economy going and reduce prices until alternatives can become practical.
I have no problem with drilling to boost the economy; I'm sure it would create lots of jobs for people who need them. What I have a problem with are the absurd claims that this is going to reduce the price of oil, or even worse, that this is even a partial solution to our energy problems. I worry that drilling for more oil will just become another excuse to not have a REAL energy policy.

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By the way, number 1 on the absurd list is "but, but, but, no oil will be shipped for five years, so why bother...." Now that is a silly excuse.... and a dumb one.
Well since I haven't argued either that premise or that conclusion, you can just keep beating that straw man.
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The world should not be OUR problem, let's get more for the USA so we can buy less from importers. Then they can sell what we don't buy to the rest of the world...
Economically impossible. Oil is traded on a global market, whether you like it or not. The price of a barrel of oil is a function of global supply and global demand. Therefore it only makes sense to view the possible increase in drilling in terms of the effect on the GLOBAL supply.

The more oil we buy from ANYWHERE, the more money flows into the coffers of Iran and Russia, even if we produced all of our oil needs domestically.

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Umm...yeah that would be significant. What's your point? Are you going to stick the oil we produce in a copy machine 10 or 20 times?
OK, now we are getting somewhere. So, you think a significant amount would be somewhere between 1.2% and 12%... Care to narrow that down some??

My point is that every little bit of oil helps. You can not say that an increase of only 1.2% won't help. The left says that about every potential oil source. We can't drill in ANWR because it will ONLY provide us with 10-12 billion barrels of oil, and we can't drill offshore because it will ONLY provide us with 10-12 billion barrels of oil... and besides, it will be at least 5 years before we see any of it at the pump. That's a lot of oil.
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