| *Breaking News* Bush claims privilege to withhold CIA leak records; Originally Posted by Binary_Digit
Obstructing a criminal investigation is a crime.
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Originally Posted by Binary_Digit  Obstructing a criminal investigation is a crime. | Not if there wasn't any crime to begin with and unless the prosecutor can prove that the CIA records are necessary to prove a crime then the presumption of Executive Privilege applies. | 
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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon I'm fine w/ the law. And I'm fine w/ your ...umm... peculiar interpretation. Just pointing out that you're wrong. Feel free to find some case law that supports your interpretation whenever you get a chance. Hint: case law is where you go to see what the interpretation of is.
GL | Look I can read there is absolutely 0 mention of the word "official" in Section 422, so I think the burden of proof would be on YOU the accuser, so you show ME some case law backing up your interpretation, as I've already provided an article from former Federal Prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy who backs up MY interpretation.
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Originally Posted by Binary_Digit Obstructing a criminal investigation is a crime. | Yeah but I wonder if refusing to indulge a histrionic witch hunt is... | |
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Originally Posted by section eight Look I can read there is absolutely 0 mention of the word "official" in Section 422, so I think the burden of proof would be on YOU the accuser, so you show ME some case law backing up your interpretation, as I've already provided an article from former Federal Prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy who backs up MY interpretation. | McCarthy is also a conservative columnist. He does not cite precedent, so its nothing more than an opinion. As I keep saying, this needs to be argued in front of a judge to see its merits.
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Originally Posted by section eight A) It's not the public that is the concern it is hostile foreign governments you are completely misinterpreting the intent of Section 422.
B) Even if you were correct in your assertion that the CIA disclosure doesn't count then guess what? Both Wilson and Armitage both her identity public knowledge as soon as they talked to the press so if you want to prosecute one of them go for it. | Can you share with me when and how Wilson made his wife's identity public? | |
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Originally Posted by section eight Executive privilege will not apply if the prosecutor can show that the testimony is necessary for proving a crime, but as I have shown no crime was committed because the CIA had already divulged her name as did Wilson and then later Armitage. | But as you have shown.........yeah right!  | |
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Originally Posted by aps Can you share with me when and how Wilson made his wife's identity public? | While he was shopping around his Yellow Cake story, I don't have verifiable evidence but it seems likely and has been reported, but regardless even if it wasn't Wilson then it was Armitage. | |
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Originally Posted by aps But as you have shown.........yeah right! | Read Section 422 of U.S. Code Title 50, even if the CIA leak to the Cubans through the Swiss embassy in Havana doesn't count, because it wasn't "public" then certainly Armitage's (or Wilson's) leak to the press does. | |
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Originally Posted by section eight While he was shopping around his Yellow Cake story, I don't have verifiable evidence but it seems likely and has been reported, but regardless even if it wasn't Wilson then it was Armitage. | Okay, so you admit that you don't have hard core evidence that Wilson outed his own wife. That's all I was looking for.
I agree--Armitage revealed her name and status to Novak. Tsk tsk on Armitage. | |
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Originally Posted by aps Okay, so you admit that you don't have hard core evidence that Wilson outed his own wife. That's all I was looking for.
I agree--Armitage revealed her name and status to Novak. Tsk tsk on Armitage. | Ya but he didn't know of her covert status so he didn't commit a crime either. | |
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