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Old 07-18-08, 04:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't see how the Cubans intercepting classified CIA documents qualifies as "the United States had publicly acknowledged or revealed". I would like to see this opinion argued in front of a judge TYVM.
A) It's not the public that is the concern it is hostile foreign governments you are completely misinterpreting the intent of Section 422.

B) Even if you were correct in your assertion that the CIA disclosure doesn't count then guess what? Both Wilson and Armitage both her identity public knowledge as soon as they talked to the press so if you want to prosecute one of them go for it.
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He doesn't have to argue it in front of a judge. He has privilege and total authority over what is classified and what isn't.
Executive privilege will not apply if the prosecutor can show that the testimony is necessary for proving a crime, but as I have shown no crime was committed because the CIA had already divulged her name as did Wilson and then later Armitage.
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Old 07-18-08, 04:52 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Bush claims privilege to withhold CIA leak records - Yahoo! News

Granted, it would be ridiculous for the President to have to explain every minor detail of his actions throughout his Presidency. But when a law has been broken, it wreaks of guilt for the President to claim executive privilege in order to avoid cooperating with the investigation.

And for those who believe Richard Armitage was the only leaker, and thus the investigation is a farce, don't forget that Robert Novak cited "two senior administration officials" as his sources. Armitage was one, so who was the other? Obviously Bush doesn't want you to know...

Somebody else besides Armitage leaked classified information to the press. A law may have been broken, which put peoples' lives at risk, and the President is obstructing the investigation to find out if and who. I think it's time for George W. Bush to be held in contempt of Congress.
I agree. Executive privelege was not created to protect criminals (as evidenced by the Watergate scandal) therefore, Bush needs to be told to get out of the investigation or get impeached.

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Executive privilege will not apply if the prosecutor can show that the testimony is necessary for proving a crime, but as I have shown no crime was committed because the CIA had already divulged her name as did Wilson and then later Armitage.
How very apologistic of you, Seciton 8.
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A) It's not the public that is the concern it is hostile foreign governments you are completely misinterpreting the intent of Section 422.
Like I said, I would like to see this argued in front of a judge. Do you have precedent or simply an opinion on its intent?

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B) Even if you were correct in your assertion that the CIA disclosure doesn't count then guess what? Both Wilson and Armitage both her identity public knowledge as soon as they talked to the press so if you want to prosecute one of them go for it.
I'm not making any assertions about their innocence or guilt.
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Like I said, I would like to see this argued in front of a judge. Do you have precedent or simply an opinion on its intent?
Just my use of logic to determine that the reason why they don't want the names of covert agents to be mentioned in the press is so that that information won't fall into the hands of hostile foreign governments like the one in Havana.
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Just my use of logic to determine that the reason why they don't want the names of covert agents to be mentioned in the press is so that that information won't fall into the hands of hostile foreign governments like the one in Havana.
The operations and intentions of CIA may very well be more complicated than that. Also the term "public acknowledgement" may have very well been inserted to differentiate between the operations of other covert entities to divulge information.

Regardless this remains speculation without some legal precedent.
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The operations and intentions of CIA may very well be more complicated than that. Also the term "public acknowledgement" may have very well been inserted to differentiate between the operations of other covert entities to divulge information.

Regardless this remains speculation without some legal precedent.
Regardless even if that is the case then as soon as Armitage leaked to Novak it ceased to be a crime for anyone else to, also, leak the name.
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....once Armitage leaked the name no further leakage could occur.

That's one notion I s'pose. I don't think it has much basis in law or anything, but it is a notion that helps to bolster Bush backers beliefs. So it seems to be working as intended.
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Valerie Plame was a slut and a traitor. She got what she deserved. She got passed around CIA HQ like a party favor.
Well, your well reasoned argument and iron clad logic have persuaded me ... of something anyway.

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Fact: After a lengthy investigation, no crime of having revealed Plame's status has ever been charged.
Since no one was charged that means there was not a crime. Amazing.
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