CaptainCourtesy

Your question holds no water, as I explained. Unless you can show where Obama mentions, in the article, that he wants to lose the war in Iraq, or pull out of Iraq before the war is won, your interpretation is nothing but your own, and is,as I said, a complex question logical fallacy. But, I'll tell you what. If you can offer a reasonable, operational definition of "winning the war in Iraq", and show how Obama defies that, I'll break my normal, "never engage Gobbieman on one of his "trap" threads, except to expose them" rule, and engage you with this.

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Goobieman

And, as I have explained, your criticism is meaningless.
You may now continue to avoid the question.

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CaptainCourtesy

And as I've explained, you're explanation is meaningless since you're qestion was both loaded and nonsensical to the article you presented. But please, continue to focus on non-sequiturs; I'll just keep doing what I always do...pointing them out when you do that.

Goobieman

...and contuinue to avoid the question.
When you muster the intellectual honesty to -stop- avoiding the question, please do let us know.

CaptainCourtesy

When you muster the intelectual honesty to ask an honest question, let us know.

Goobieman

Only those that don't want to have to address the issue find the question dishonest.

cascadian

Here's Obama's position and I think you can find the answers you need, or if you care, to rephrase your questions so that they actually address the content of Obama's comments

"This war distracts us from every threat that we face and so many opportunities we could seize. This war diminishes our security, our standing in the world, our military, our economy, and the resources that we need to confront the challenges of the 21st century. By any measure, our single-minded and open-ended focus on Iraq is not a sound strategy for keeping America safe. " ~Obama


So according to Obama fighting this war is worse than "losing" (your term for leaving).

Why is it worse? Because we have other things to attend to, such as, I don't know...Afghanistan and OBL (remember him?). It's not like we have unlimited soldiers and money to through at all corners of the globe.

To this point Obama offers:""In the 18 months since the surge began, the strain on our military has increased, our troops and their families have borne an enormous burden, and American taxpayers have spent another $200 billion in Iraq"

So: more resources in Iraq = less resources in Afghanistan.

Believe it or not the US actually has finite resources and limits and may have to make hard choices about which battles it can fight.

So other than characterizing his strategy as losing do you have anything else to add? Is there really something you couldn't comprehend about what he was saying?

Now if you think that we should go into even more debt and that we come up with more soldiers for Afghanistan while maintaining a similar troop presence in Iraq, feel free to argue that point. That might actually be interesting...

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Truth Detector

How amusing, we voted to go into Iraq; the Democrats then spent every waking moment denigrating the mission, the troops and the Commander and Chief for purely partisan political gamesmanship.

Anyone with the intellectual curiosity beyond that of a lemming would ask themselves why?

Then when the strategy was changed, remember the Democrats original FALSE argument about how Bush was "staying the course," these same Democrats with Obama in the lead stated the surge would not work, had not worked and was a failure.

Yet here we are, the surge has worked and as a result, things are starting to get better for the Iraqi people. Yet now we see the Liberal spinmeisters once more attempting to hide the fact that they have been wrong at EVERY turn, they want to suggest that the cost is too great. Every time we turn a new page in this endeavor Democrats voted for in the majority, they come up with some new idiotic excuse to argue for defeat.

The REALITY is that once the decision was made to go in, the cost of failure will always be too great. How profound that every time the Democrats have attempted to argue the ENEMIES positions, yes that is right the Democrats took the side of out enemy, they have been proven wrong.

I remember how desperately they argued we were in a quagmire. Then when that dire prediction didn’t pan out, it was a civil war. Then when that didn’t pan out it was we will never beat the terrorists. Then when that didn’t pan out it was the Iranians. Face it, it is always something to argue; but it is always and argument for failure.

How fascinating to watch the same pacifists, the same anti-war crowd comes out with the same pacifist anti-war message and denigrations of America every time we have gone to war.

You would think that after a while, people would get tired of the same old. But in reality, Obama and the Democrats do not represent anything remotely considered change, but more of the same tired old Liberal double talk, spins, distortions and impugning of character of those who dare disagree with their failed and miserable policies.

Once more, Obama stands for all that is wrong with Liberalism and the notion that this represents change truly defies reality.

Carry on.

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CaptainCourtesy

Your dishonest question presents no issue; it presents an agenda. If it presented an issue, people would have answered it. Loaded questions, like those presented here, are nothing more than set-ups.

Goobieman

You can keep pretending the question is doshonest all you want in your pathetic attepmt to avoid the question -- but the fact remains, you're still avoiding the question.

See:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-have-win.html (Is Iraq also a war we have to win?)