Reverend_Hellh0und

Speaking of china and the olympics.

Seen the smog?

They are actually banning cars for the olympics and suggesting events can be postponed or cancelled do to breathing issues.



Beijing continues to struggle with smog ahead of Olympic showcase - The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 09, 2008


Whos horrible idea was to hold it in this mess?

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dirtpoorchris

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dirtpoorchris

No wonder I've seen so many specials on the news about just a tiny bit of pollen ruining performance in America.

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Orius

Yeah, the pollution there is bad. When I was there a year ago, my lungs actually hurt by the end of the day. There are days when you can't even go outside because prolonged exposure burns your nose and eyes (mostly the sulfur dioxide does this). It's pretty bad.

In fairness though, China is working on the 3 Gorges Dam project which will substitute a lot of coal power for clean energy, and it has designs on nuclear energy. Until then though, the cities are going to be a polluted mess. I remember a few years ago, after the UN slammed China for its environmental practices, China did an internal audit of the country's environmental index. They had a particular prediction, but by the end of the project the findings were something like 250% higher than they expected. In utter embarrassment, they scrapped the census project, and immediately put money into the relevant ministries to do monitoring and some cleanup projects.

The environment is on everyone's mind in China right now, and it's an issue that has the longterm potential to topple the government. People won't care about prosperity if they are choking on it.

Reverend_Hellh0und

and in there eyes, lungs, noses..... how could it not be?

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Orius

I'm going to assume this is a rhetorical question, in which case there is nothing to debate.

G'day

Reverend_Hellh0und

Good assumption.

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Hatuey

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jfuh

Indeed the pollution in China is going to be a HUGE embarrassment for China especially if they have to cancel events due to poor air quality that is "hazardous".

But since you bring up "horrible idea was to hold it in this mess".
Here's another city that held the olympics with a "horrible mess".




This is where I want to see china significantly embarrassed on they need to realize that there are somethings once you ruin it, its gone.

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Orius

More people pointing the finger at them for doing the same thing we were doing 100 years ago, and to some extent are still doing. If we started industrializing when our population was 1.1 billion, we'd be in the exact same predicament. Now that mostly everyone in our side of the world is fed and literate, not to mention living in the lap of luxury uncompared to anywhere else, we have the convenience of defending the environment. China is still struggling to provide basic needs for its huge population.

Instead of hoping for it to be embarrassed, you should be hoping for it do develop ways to clean up the dangerous environmental mess it has created. I'm glad that the Olympics are there. It has created a lot more awareness of China's environmental problems, so maybe now more help will come China's way in the form of beneficial investment.