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Old 05-16-08, 03:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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so when you fire a warning shot into the air and it just so happens to come down and kill someone, despite being in a sparsely populated area, there shoudl be no charges found
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Old 05-16-08, 03:50 PM   #42 (permalink)
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so when you fire a warning shot into the air and it just so happens to come down and kill someone, despite being in a sparsely populated area, there shoudl be no charges found
Not at all the same.
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Old 05-16-08, 07:28 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Not at all the same.
highly unlikely it will strike someone, but just happens to

highly unlikely to infect someone with saliva, but just happens to

was pretty sure I would get disagreeing positions, but kind of figured there would be some substance behind it other than spit in my face
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Old 05-16-08, 08:16 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I know a guy who spit on an officer while he was visiting California.
They held him in jail while waiting for the results of his HIV test.
Had he been positive, he would've been charged with attempted homicide.
This was in... oh, 1994, probably.
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highly unlikely it will strike someone, but just happens to

highly unlikely to infect someone with saliva, but just happens to

was pretty sure I would get disagreeing positions, but kind of figured there would be some substance behind it other than spit in my face
Ya, the difference is that in your example, it was highly unlikely for the bullet to strike someone, but it DID. And in the case here, it's highly unlikely to infect someone with HIV from saliva...and it DIDN'T.
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In an ideal justice system, he would simply be put behind bars and in rehabilitation therapy until such time he was fit again to be a part of society. His current actions show he is a societal menace that is not someone any of us would want as a neighbor.
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Re: HIV-positive man sentenced 35 years for spitting at officer

HIV lives in the blood. Your mouth uses blood. Given that many things can cause open wounds in one's mouth (chewing, sores, bad hygiene, flossing) it is very likely blood enters the mouth and mixes with saliva quite often. From what I read it is "difficult" to get HIV, even from blood but under certain circumstances (as Rivrat said) its not impossible. Same goes for sitting on a toilet or shaking hands, etc. Its never IMPOSSIBLE just really really unlikely.
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C) Even if he believed it was possible (which there's no reason to think he did), that is not sufficient IMO. I think that such a belief needs to be (or should need to be) reasonable. I mean, if I persuade you to eat a hamburger because I want you to get mad cow disease, should I be charged with attempted murder?
You think a guy who fully intended to give someone aids should be let off the hook because he could not and physically did give someone aids but yet you are going to whine in a another thread on how mandatory law punishing sex offenders would be unfair to some adult who slept with a 12 year old little girl because he claims the little girl told him she was 18.
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HIV lives in the blood. Your mouth uses blood. Given that many things can cause open wounds in one's mouth (chewing, sores, bad hygiene, flossing) it is very likely blood enters the mouth and mixes with saliva quite often. From what I read it is "difficult" to get HIV, even from blood but under certain circumstances (as Rivrat said) its not impossible. Same goes for sitting on a toilet or shaking hands, etc. Its never IMPOSSIBLE just really really unlikely.
It's unlikely enough to make it impossible for all intents and purposes. Just like when people say that abstinence is a 100% effective way to not get pregnant. Well, no, technically it ISN'T 100% effective. But it's close enough to make arguing about it a little silly.

Anyone who is actually worried that the guy might've gotten HIV is being completely irrational. Would you also have wanted the guy charged with attempted murder if he sat on a toilet seat before the cop did, or shook the cop's hand, with the intention of giving him HIV? I'm hard-pressed to find any distinction between this case and those examples, other than that saliva SEEMS like it could be a form of transmission to those who don't really know better.
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it is incredibly easy to catch AIDS from a toilet seat
you just have to sit down before the guy with AIDS gets up
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