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Kerry endorses Obama for president

Navy Pride said:
You need to keep up my friend..............Hillary has introduced race in the campaign by herself or her surrogates several times.............
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When did Hillary inject race? One example will suffice. Or are you now moving the goalpost to surrogates now that you've been asked to back up your claim?
 
Hatuey said:
You know....even if Bill was first lady...he'd still have twice the nuts George has. Penis envy much? ;)
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I would not know...........I am not and authority on their penises that you are.............;)
 
Navy Pride said:
I would not know...........I am not and authority on their penises that you are.............;)
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You just happen to talk about Willie's "slick" willie more then most. ;) Coincidence?
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah Hillary and Hussein Obama are busy calling each other racists.....:roll:
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We know where you stand Navy Pride!

Democratic candidates this year include a Black, a woman, an Hispanic and a UFO seeker!

Republicans include only OLD WHITE MEN who are either divorced multiple times, crazy theo-cons or cult-like Mormons who have a long history of racial hatred against Blacks....Yup, you fit right in with your GOP old white men Navy Pride...so mainstream....NOT!
 
Navy Pride said:
I did not give him the name my left wing friend............:confused:
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Posts like this are precisely why I support supplying all senior citizens with seeing eye dogs.
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah Hillary and Hussein Obama are busy calling each other racists.....:roll:
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What a stupid statement, especially today on Dr. King's birthday. The Democratic party since the 1960s/JFK has stood for real equality among all races while the Republican party has done everything it can think of to keep Black America poor, to keep Hispanic Americans out of their private clubs and more recently have xenophobically rallied the GOP banner to create hate against anyone who is Brown...be they Hispanic or Middle Eastern...especially if they're Muslims.

Versus the Democratic party with a Black candidate, A Female candidate, an Hispanic candidate and a platform commitment that is the very aorta of the Democratic party...that plank is EQUALITY FOR ALL (EVEN REPUBLICANS :lol:).

On this special day where non-bigoted Americans (not you however) honor and remember Dr. King as one of the greatest Americans of all time.
 
26 X World Champs said:
What a stupid statement, especially today on Dr. King's birthday. The Democratic party since the 1960s/JFK has stood for real equality among all races while the Republican party has done everything it can think of to keep Black America poor, to keep Hispanic Americans out of their private clubs and more recently have xenophobically rallied the GOP banner to create hate against anyone who is Brown...be they Hispanic or Middle Eastern...especially if they're Muslims.

Versus the Democratic party with a Black candidate, A Female candidate, an Hispanic candidate and a platform commitment that is the very aorta of the Democratic party...that plank is EQUALITY FOR ALL (EVEN REPUBLICANS :lol:).

On this special day where non-bigoted Americans (not you however) honor and remember Dr. King as one of the greatest Americans of all time.
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This isn't completely true. According to most people who were around during the whole Civil Rights issue credit should go to LBJ not JFK. Dr. King went to JFK and sat with him and talked about the need to push the whole Civil Rights issue. JFK wouldn't do it(the reasons I don't recall). When JFK was assassinated MLK once again went to LBJ and pushed the issue. LBJ went to congress and finally pushed it through.
 
Hatuey said:
This isn't completely true. According to most people who were around during the whole Civil Rights issue credit should go to LBJ not JFK. Dr. King went to JFK and sat with him and talked about the need to push the whole Civil Rights issue. JFK wouldn't do it(the reasons I don't recall). When JFK was assassinated MLK once again went to LBJ and pushed the issue. LBJ went to congress and finally pushed it through.
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I do not disagree in principle with what you wrote. My point was that JFK started the process that led to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which effectively drove the Southern Dixiecrats out of the Democratic Party (racist, bigots et al) and into the Republican party where they reside to this day...The South is dead red and will be for a long time in parts due to the switch of the Dixiecrats to the GOP.

JFK was simply the igniter. LBJ and every major Democratic politician since then has been a staunch defender of equality and it is, as I wrote before, the AORTA of the Democratic platform.
 
26 X World Champs said:
Democratic candidates this year include a Black, a woman, an Hispanic and a UFO seeker!
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Uhh, the Hispanic has dropped out but you still have the UFO seeker to represent the mainstream of left wing thinking... :mrgreen:
 
26 X World Champs said:
We know where you stand Navy Pride!

Democratic candidates this year include a Black, a woman, an Hispanic and a UFO seeker!

Republicans include only OLD WHITE MEN who are either divorced multiple times, crazy theo-cons or cult-like Mormons who have a long history of racial hatred against Blacks....Yup, you fit right in with your GOP old white men Navy Pride...so mainstream....NOT!
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This is a complete picture of Mormons in regards to race: All races have always had access to baptism and membership, all races have always attended the same meetings and belong to the same ward family(no segregation), the Book of Mormon teaches that all races are equal in the sight if God and are His sons and daughters, a primary theme of the Book of Mormon is to overcome race and all that divides and become one people. The Mormons were anti-slavery, never owned slaves, Joseph Smith ran for president to draw attention to the plight of the Mormons and his platform was to free all the slaves by the federal government selling federal land and compensating the slave owners, a platform that Abraham Lincoln would later adopt. The one thing that looks bad is that those of one lineage, African descent, was denied the priesthood until 1978(not membership.) Although no revelations have been given on why, SOME of the LDS leaders and members believed it was because blacks were supposedly the descendents of Cain and the curse regarding the priesthood to his descendants were still in place. This doctrine that blacks were the descendants of Cain and cursed has a long history in historical Christianity and even older Jewish sources. To my knowledge this doctrine has been commentary and not actual revelations that have any kind of authority. The priesthood being denied to different races is thoroughly scriptural though but no reason has ever been given why. In the Torah all lineages were denied the priesthood except the sons of the tribe of Levi. At other times it was given to the first born sons of certain patriarchs down through their posterity. In the NT the apostles struggled with the new revelation that the gospel was to be sent to the gentiles, where some in the culture thought of them as equivalent to unclean swine. Today its been about thirty years since the priesthood has been universal. There are approximately 150,000 Africans that have joined the LDS church, and I believe about 50,000 African Americans, several thousand of African descent in brazil and the Caribbean also. Approximately 32 percent of Tongans are LDS, with similar percentages throughout Polynesia(highest percentage of LDS of any nations in the world.) Since 1990, 2/3 of the converts in California have been non -Caucasian. In Latin America the LDS population has exploded, along with great growth in Asia. Today only about ten percent of the membership is located in Utah, who are primarily Caucasian, having derived primarily from Scandinavian nations, Iceland, and the British Isles. People assume all LDS are Caucasian because of this, and fifty years ago this was true, but today it is extremely diverse with Caucasian population being in the minority.
Here are some pics from a LDS ward in Ghana.












 
The Ghana LDS temple



The LDS are not racist and are a well respected religion outside the small minded bigots that continue to attack the faith of a people who never does anything bad to anyone.
 
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laska said:
The Ghana LDS temple



The LDS are not racist and are a well respected religion outside the small minded bigots that continue to attack the faith of a people who never does anything bad to anyone.
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Wow that temple looks like it is stealing electricity that could help a poor village or ten.

You spoke in an absolute. That is why I bring this up. Warren Jeffs.
 
Warren Jeffs is not LDS, totally different church.
 
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laska said:
Warren Jeffs is not LDS, totally different church.
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FLDS was his church. I stand corrected. But it is an offshoot of LDS, though they don't associate with each other because of their differences on polygamy.

It's for a different thread, but we can continue the discussion on racism and the LDS if you like in another thread.
 
That is the ignorance the LDS have to deal with, we are not the small religious group that calls themselves the FLDS. Our situation would be like if the media portrayed the Jewish people with some group that is far outside the mainstream of Judaism. The Mormons are not Amish, don't have more then one wife, etc, etc. Does the Amish(nothing against them. probably great people) have the father of surfing in Hawaii Robert Anae, or a ton of extreme sport stars such as these:

Torah Bright-Olympian snowboarder
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Steve Nyman-U.S. ski team
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Aaron Shamy-'99 gold medelist and record holder in climbing
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laska said:
That is the ignorance the LDS have to deal with, we are not the small religious group that calls themselves the FLDS. Our situation would be like if the media portrayed the Jewish people with some group that is far outside the mainstream of Judaism. The Mormons are not Amish, don't have more then one wife, etc, etc. Does the Amish(nothing against them. probably great people) have the father of surfing in Hawaii Robert Anae, or a ton of extreme sport stars such as these:

Torah Bright-Olympian snowboarder
torah_bright.jpg


Steve Nyman-U.S. ski team
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Aaron Shamy-'99 gold medelist and record holder in climbing
aaron-shamy.jpg
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How about this discussion in another thread? I don't know what white olympic athletes have to do with Kerry endorsing Obama.
 
laska said:
It has everything to do with it. Some peope I just can't debate with :mrgreen:.
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Well, if you decide you can debate with me, start a thread. I will oblige you.
 
Anyone who thought FLDS was the LDS doesn't have the knowledge to make an opinion on the subject imo. I know you can get quotes off of google from LDS leaders in the past where they state that blacks are the descendants of Cain. I've already covered that in my original post above. I know the LDS are far from racist from thirty years of intimate experience with the people and not from googling what other people state about the religion, which 99.99999 percent of the time is a completely inaccurate caricature of what they see in their simple and dark minds.
 
laska said:
Anyone who thought FLDS was the LDS doesn't have the knowledge to make an opinion on the subject imo. I know you can get quotes off of google from LDS leaders in the past where they state that blacks are the descendants of Cain. I've already covered that in my original post above. I know the LDS are far from racist from thirty years of intimate experience with the people and not from googling what other people state about the religion, which 99.99999 percent of the time is a completely inaccurate caricature of what they see in their simple and dark minds.
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I don't think you covered it. But that's fine, I will stick with my position that the church was racist until yesterday, relatively speaking. You can't argue with those teachings of Cain and his curse. I was giving you an opportunity to enlighten me. In school my best friend was a Mormon. His family were great people. I am not intending to demonize Mormons. I am just holding it up to the light to see what it really is. I am not saying that LDS is racist today. As with most religion, I am amused at how something can say one thing unequivocally for centuries and then all of the sudden mean something else when society evolves.
 
I don't mean to be so direct but I'm tired of being so diplomatic. I agree that some of the LDS leaders may have carried the cultural baggage from the time and place they came, just as the NT apostles when it came to gentiles. Let me be clear, the cultural baggage to me in regards to this is racist, but I think they were very good men that were a product of this environment. The Church has evolved far past a small group of original converts with 19th century Eurocentric views. Even then though I think they were far more enlightened regarding race than most Americans and religions of the time. Like I have stated, the BOM cleary states that all races, black or white, Jew or Gentile are equal. They called for the end of slavery, never owned slaves, no history of segregation. Those who try and paint The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as racist never bring up those things. They don't mention the good they are doing on the African continent, and the poor among all nations, or the reality of today, where diverse wards are located all over, and the mixed membership actually tend to love and support each other.
 
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Navy Pride said:
aps, I think your the only one in the USA that has any respect for JK left...........
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Ummm, no. My husband agrees with my assessment--that makes 2 of us. ;)
 
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