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Dozens injured in Paris rampage

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7114175.stm

Nearly 80 French police officers have been injured, six seriously, during a second night of riots by youths in the suburbs of Paris, police unions say.

More wacky Muslim shennanigans.

Here's a quick recap:

Entitled angry Arab teen 1 and 2 were driving down the road, in a scooter not classified for street use, not obeying traffic laws, at top speed without helmets.

They ram a police car, are thrown off, and get their stupid asses killed.

Now the French Arab suburbs are rioting because of what the "police have done to them".
 
BBC NEWS | Europe | Dozens injured in Paris rampage

Nearly 80 French police officers have been injured, six seriously, during a second night of riots by youths in the suburbs of Paris, police unions say.

More wacky Muslim shennanigans.

Here's a quick recap:

Entitled angry Arab teen 1 and 2 were driving down the road, in a scooter not classified for street use, not obeying traffic laws, at top speed without helmets.

They ram a police car, are thrown off, and get their stupid asses killed.

Now the French Arab suburbs are rioting because of what the "police have done to them".

No where in the article is the word "muslim" mentioned, so where do you get the idea that its "wacky muslim shennanigans"?

Instead of stating the facts that the teenagers were of Algerian origin, as stated in the article, you use the usual tactics of placing the label "arab" on them, and hence in the eyes of many in the west, a very negative view from the start. In fact there was no information about thier ethnisity other than the word "Algerian", which can cover a wide range. They can be muslim, christian, even jewish. Do they speak arabic, who knows, not mentioned, but I bet they spoke French.. so that would make them French no or does the that only apply when a person speaks Arabic, that he is an "arab"?

Also there is no mention of the suburbs being "arab", and it is infact very incorrect in many aspects. This is a lie spread by the US media, especially by Fox News. They are poor suburbs, where people from many different back grounds live, and yes people from Frances northern Africa colonies are a large part of the population. But there are also others, but it seems that because a large part of them are people that speak arabic, and are muslim, then suddenly its an Arab suburb or a muslim suburb.. like a white christian frenchman has never risen up against the estabilished power, in a violent way...:roll:

Another great anti Arab/muslim hatchet job on the facts and the truth.. cant wait till Fox News starts spreading the same bullshit.

Some facts you "forgot" to mention.. the family of the 2 dead teenagers have publicly appealed for calm. That the French interior ministry suspects "people from outside the suburbs" in inflaming the situation. My money is on far left and even far right aspects of French society wanting to get a piece of the pie so to say.
 
Why is it "youths" that are always rioting in France?
 
No where in the article is the word "muslim" mentioned, so where do you get the idea that its "wacky muslim shennanigans"?

Instead of stating the facts that the teenagers were of Algerian origin, as stated in the article, you use the usual tactics of placing the label "arab" on them, and hence in the eyes of many in the west, a very negative view from the start. In fact there was no information about thier ethnisity other than the word "Algerian", which can cover a wide range. They can be muslim, christian, even jewish. Do they speak arabic, who knows, not mentioned, but I bet they spoke French.. so that would make them French no or does the that only apply when a person speaks Arabic, that he is an "arab"?

Also there is no mention of the suburbs being "arab", and it is infact very incorrect in many aspects. This is a lie spread by the US media, especially by Fox News. They are poor suburbs, where people from many different back grounds live, and yes people from Frances northern Africa colonies are a large part of the population. But there are also others, but it seems that because a large part of them are people that speak arabic, and are muslim, then suddenly its an Arab suburb or a muslim suburb.. like a white christian frenchman has never risen up against the estabilished power, in a violent way...:roll:

Another great anti Arab/muslim hatchet job on the facts and the truth.. cant wait till Fox News starts spreading the same bullshit.

Some facts you "forgot" to mention.. the family of the 2 dead teenagers have publicly appealed for calm. That the French interior ministry suspects "people from outside the suburbs" in inflaming the situation. My money is on far left and even far right aspects of French society wanting to get a piece of the pie so to say.

The article repeatedely compares the riots to the 2005 riots, which are universally accepted as primarily muslim in character.
 
BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Maps: Riots in France

a map of the 2005 riots in France

"Unrest quickly spread to other parts of the city, mainly poor, run-down suburbs with large African and Arab migrant communities. Within days, the violence had spread to other towns and cities across France. Below are maps showing the worst-affected areas."
 
Hmmm. If France ends up surrendering to itself, it will be a first. :mrgreen:
 
Don't be too bothered new coup.

Pete EU was just trying to distract and deflect blame from where it belongs.
 
The article repeatedely compares the riots to the 2005 riots, which are universally accepted as primarily muslim in character.

In the US media yes I would agree, but that dont make it correct. It seems that US media in thier wisdom have thought : Area with large African and Arab minorities = arab and muslim = good ratings and great French bashing material.

Even the BBC link you later provide does not call it a primarily muslim in character. All it states is that the riots started and spread from poor suburbs with large African (not muslim) and Arab minorities. The only common theme in the riots was it was the French youth, muslim, christian, black, white that rioted against the estabilished order.. something typical French btw.

Also Algerians are ethnically Arab.

Well ..

note: almost all Algerians are Berber in origin, not Arab;

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ag.html

Guess your own goverments definition is "wrong" now?
 
no, the Berber's were conquered by expanding Arab empires in the middle ages. Of course there are still ethnic Berbers, but the country is decidely Arab in terms of ethnicity and culture.

Algeria is a member of the Arab League...and a former province of the Ottoman Empire. Its official language is Arabic. Almost all of North Africa is either Arab or mix of Arab.

This is not typical French angst, it's race riots. None of my sources have been American.

If you want to persist in the fantasy where there is a large rioting group of Christian blacks in French suburbs I can't stop you.
 
Why is it "youths" that are always rioting in France?

It's a time honored French tradition. To the streets! Usually with barricades. This was a very small affair by French standards.
 
no, the Berber's were conquered by expanding Arab empires in the middle ages. Of course there are still ethnic Berbers, but the country is decidely Arab in terms of ethnicity and culture.

LOL you are so wrong. You should look up the early history of the area. If anything the Berbers conquered the Arab "empires" lol.

Algeria is a member of the Arab League...and a former province of the Ottoman Empire. Its official language is Arabic. Almost all of North Africa is either Arab or mix of Arab.

And? The only thing that binds the nations of the Arab league is a language and religion (and not totaly) pure and simple . Thier cultural and ethincal make ups are very diverse. The only nations who actually see themselvs as "arab" are Saudi Arabia and a few of the Gulf states and even they cant accept Yemen as "arab", dispite it being on the Arabian Peninsula.

I fully understand that the west, especially America, has one grand word for all the peoples of North Africa, Middle East and a few other places, and that word is Arab and that some how defines the whole area in the same culture and ethnicitiy.. but saddly that is another false "mirage" that many Americans have learnt over the years (and yes many Europeans also).

If we start in North Africa, its the Berbers who dominate quite a large area of that area and have for over 10.000 years, and their culture is VERY different than say the Saudis or Omanies. Take Yemen, one of the only "arab" countries where using drugs is a national passtime (Khat) and is frowned on by most other "arab" nations. In Mauritania it was "culture" to own slaves until very recently (and many claim it still goes on), and they too are Berbers, that are muslim and speak arabic. Lebanon? Are they arab? The christians, Druze and other minorites? Are the Kurds arabs, as quite a large number speak arabic and are muslims...

Everything is far from black and white, and putting the Algerians or Morrocans in the same "boat" as the Saudis, Iraqies, or Lebanese on anything but a very basic similar langauge (the dialects and local variations from country to country is huge.. especailly with North Africans) is just wrong. Are they "arabs", yes in language and in part in religion, but thats where the comparison stops.

Are Americans not just Englishmen then? Are the French (as offical langauge) speaking nations around the world, then suddenly French? Is half of South America suddenly Spanish? Is Brazil Portugeuse now?

This is not typical French angst, it's race riots. None of my sources have been American.

And non of your sources have even hinted of race riots or being "muslim" riots. The closest the links have gotten is youth riots, and last I read, "youth" was not a race.

As for not typical French? You should read up on French protesting since at least the 60s, but it goes back to the French revolution frankly. The French have always been one of the more passionate peoples of Europe when it comes to protesting, a passion that often went over into the violent. I understand how alien that is to most Americans, a people who rarely protest anything it seems and accept the status quo. Kudos to those in the 60s who dared protest the Vietnam war.

If you want to persist in the fantasy where there is a large rioting group of Christian blacks in French suburbs I can't stop you.

I have never denied that a large part of the rioters are most likely of north african orgin or even muslim, but thats far from calling them a "muslim or arab" riot. You are sensationlising a situation to meet some partisan anti French anti European views, by twisting facts and figures.

So the riots in L.A a decade or so ago, were black riots? Where the protesting turned rioting in Seattle a few years ago white riots or christian even though it started as a protest against globalisation? Why is it when some protests suddenly involve muslims or "arabs" as a large part (possibly as people were not counted or asked of thier religion or ethnicity), then its sensationlized to be "muslim riots" and as you posted also, that Europe is turning into a new Gaza.. I mean wtf, trying to feed the bashing hamster with anything you can think off?
 
Algerians are most all Berbers, BUT all but maybe 20% of them identify themselves as Arabs. Arab has become a cultural label not based upon genetics. He would have been more accurate to simply refer to them as Muslims.


In the US media yes I would agree, but that dont make it correct. It seems that US media in thier wisdom have thought : Area with large African and Arab minorities = arab and muslim = good ratings and great French bashing material.

Even the BBC link you later provide does not call it a primarily muslim in character. All it states is that the riots started and spread from poor suburbs with large African (not muslim) and Arab minorities. The only common theme in the riots was it was the French youth, muslim, christian, black, white that rioted against the estabilished order.. something typical French btw.



Well ..



https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ag.html

Guess your own goverments definition is "wrong" now?
 
LOL you are so wrong. You should look up the early history of the area. If anything the Berbers conquered the Arab "empires" lol.

???? Never happened.
 
Being Arab doesn't make you a Muslim. HOWEVER - With 99% of Algeria's population being Sunni. I seriously doubt they were part of the 1% that happens to be Christian/Jewish. Not to argue with you Pete. I've been to France and I know what you are talking about when it comes to french youths. They are a lot more mixed up then American youth in the sense that many different nationalities and religions of North and Subsaharan Africans can live in the same building and they tend to stand up for each other. Muslim or not. However I doubt that there isn't a large percentage of rioters who are 15-19 year old Muslim youths from the pauvre banlieuex.
 
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Why is it when some protests suddenly involve muslims or "arabs" as a large part (possibly as people were not counted or asked of thier religion or ethnicity), then its sensationlized to be "muslim riots"

Actually, you can look thru 10-20 different media reports of the riots and not find a single mention of the fact that they are Muslims.
 
Congratulations PeteEU.

You have managed to distract everyone into an irrelevant discussion of hairsplitting nationalities or races, when we all know the problem is not a race, but a creed.
 
Arabs or not, those who are rioting are mainly immigrants, that's a fact.

But why?

Because they live in ghettos and have no future, no jobs, they don't go to school, they are totally isolated from the rest of the society.

A few years ago, you could work, earn money and buy a house outside the "banlieues". Now it is impossible, price of houses has increased a lot, there is high unemployment in those aeras, they don't have any grade (even more difficult to find a job, and furthermore it's often more difficult for coloured people to find jobs).

Basically they are stuck in their ghetto and burning cars is a way for them to be heard, and show that there is a big problem.
 
Arabs or not, those who are rioting are mainly immigrants, that's a fact.

But why?

Because they live in ghettos and have no future, no jobs, they don't go to school, they are totally isolated from the rest of the society.

A few years ago, you could work, earn money and buy a house outside the "banlieues". Now it is impossible, price of houses has increased a lot, there is high unemployment in those aeras, they don't have any grade (even more difficult to find a job, and furthermore it's often more difficult for coloured people to find jobs).

Basically they are stuck in their ghetto and burning cars is a way for them to be heard, and show that there is a big problem.

Yeah...France has really gone downhill with their immigrant population.
 
Yeah...France has really gone downhill with their immigrant population.

not only the immigrants, the lower class in general.

Many people (even french ones) have big difficulties to "joindre les deux bouts". Life is more and more expensive, and their SMIC (minimum wage) does not increase fast enough. There is not "social mobility", the poor are not given any chance to be middle class, they just survive.


The government is very careful, they want to avoid the 2005 mistakes.
So they sent hundreds of cops, hoping they will prevent rioters to gather.
They try to calm the youths down.

Sarkozy had promised he'd invest a lot of money in those banlieues, but it has not been done yet.
 
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not only the immigrants, the lower class in general.

Many people (even french ones) have big difficulties to "joindre les deux bouts". Life is more and more expensive, and their SMIC (minimum wage) does not increase fast enough. There is not "social mobility", the poor are not given any chance to be middle class, they just survive.

The government is very careful, they want to avoid the 2005 mistakes.
So they sent hundreds of cops, hoping they will prevent rioters to gather.
They try to calm the youths down.

Sarkozy had promised he'd invest a lot of money in those banlieues, but it has not been done yet.

That's because Sarkozy n'a aucun intérêt in the wellbeing des Français who aren't above lower middle class. I don't think Segolene would have been a better option but the French got what they voted for.
 
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