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Old 11-17-07, 09:32 AM   #321 (permalink)
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Conveniently for you, the only sources you deem credible are the ones that agree with the position you have prejudged to be right.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Pot, meet kettle.
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Old 11-17-07, 10:09 AM   #322 (permalink)
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Pot, meet kettle.
Wrong, I have never rejected that there are two sides of this story, but you and others have by denying any source that represents the Jena 6. Who is supposed to speak for them? No one? That's racism.
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Wrong, I have never rejected that there are two sides of this story, but you and others have by denying any source that represents the Jena 6. Who is supposed to speak for them? No one? That's racism.
There we go with that charge again.

Its not racism.
I understand someone should speak for them, but due to my own personal experiences in law enforcement, I know that is it EXTREMELY difficult to believe sources connected with the current suspect (in this case they have moved on to the term "defendants") and, its pathetic that I have to add this in there due to all the charged language lately but that would be REGARDLESS OF THE SUSPECT'S SKIN COLOR! That is not to say they are not telling the truth, however, everything looks as though it has been told in a manner that turns the problems here into race related problems, convienient now that they are holding all of that money for nothing due to the fact that the charges were dropped to aggravated battery, which in my opinion is perfectly suitable for what they did. So then they go flashing the money around in photos and stupid ****.

I see nothing wrong with the incident as it stands now, with the corrected charges, which by the way, isn't that big of a deal that they charged them with the higher statute if the incident could fit the elements of that crime, then it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the facts of the crime. It could have been later that they determined that they were not going to be able to get the cooperation they needed from some of their witnesses, etc. Or after speaking with the judge or grand jury it was determined that no indictment would be given on the attempted murder charges. There could be a zillion possibilities. And I can tell you for certain that this case is in no way unique in that charges were lowered prior to arraignment.
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There are many other examples, but the most flagrant one, IMO, is this:

"When District Attorney Reed Walters spoke to Jena High students at an assembly in September, he did not tell black students that he could make their life miserable with 'the stroke of a pen.' ”

Alan Bean explains:

"No one has ever suggested that Reed Walters threatened to make the lives of students “miserable”–he said he could make their lives disappear (a slight difference in tone, you’ll agree). Also, we must remember that school assemblies in Jena have traditionally been segregated. That’s the way it was when the high school integrated in 1970; and that’s the way it has remained. Black students insist he was looking at the black side of the auditorium when he issued his threat; but I don’t think it matters where he was looking.

We are being asked to believe that an irate Reed Walters told chatty white girls that he would use the power of his office to destroy their lives if they didn’t shut up. This is nonsense; but even if it’s true, is that the kind of prosecutor you want in the LaSalle Parish courthouse?'


Craig Franklin's article is further debunked:

The story you haven’t heard (unless you’ve been paying attention) « Friends of Justice
It could be hard to believe if you continually leave out that Walters and others at the assembly claim that there was more to Walters' statement. Along with the "stroke of the pen" part was "So, if you are thinking about doing anything stupid, call me first." This does change the intention of this statement. And no, just because he says he was irritated with the "chatty white girls" does not mean that it was directed at them anymore than if he happened to be looking at a group of blacks when he said it. He was speaking to the entire assembly. Along with the difference in the statement, was that some school officials say that the assembly was arranged by classes, not by race. This is how I remember school assemblies being. It may be different at this school, though.

It is not racist to believe that perhaps people are being misled in order for others to benefit their own cause. I would be weary of anyone accused of a crime that suddenly found so many reasons to possibly excuse their own behavior, no matter what their race. I have said multiple times that perhaps the DA is overcharging because of race, but no one has provided any proof that he had a racial agenda that does not involve this particular case. There are so many conflicting accounts, reasons, and stories in this case, that clearing them out would require hands-on research that most people can't do.

If the DA is basing the charges on race alone, then it should be evident from cases long before even the nooses were hung that he is racist. The explanations for many of the DA's actions have been reasonably explained for me. I look for logic in cases like this, not the story that is out there the longest or posted the most. Research by someone like Alan Bean who is looking for injustice is going to be inherently biased. This, along with the fact that he seems to automatically dismiss anything the DA says as a lie or half truth or make it into wild exaggerations, as is evidenced in your quote from him above(to assume that the DA was telling these girls he could destroy their lives if they didn't shut up, even if the comment was directed at them,is ridiculous), says that he is not as interested in the truth as he claims, but that he is looking to prove that an injustice has occurred.

Many of the key players (with the exception of the accused, the DA, and a handful of school officials) are not giving comments or getting into the case. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult to sort out who is telling the truth.
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Its not racism.
This case has gained international notoriety because most people believe it is.

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Research by someone like Alan Bean who is looking for injustice is going to be inherently biased.
By your logic, law enforcement officers who are looking for crime are inherently biased and therefore not credible.
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This case has gained international notoriety because most people believe it is.
People believe ANYTHING to be racism these days, as long as a black organization says it is.



While the same black organizations ignore the genocide of blacks in L.A. by Illegal Mexican gang members, because the killers aren't white.
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By your logic, law enforcement officers who are looking for crime are inherently biased and therefore not credible.
Wrong, facts are facts and heresay is where the bias comes in.

When doing this sort of research, Mr. Bean could have chosen to ignore statements made by teachers, police, court officials, and citizens contrary to the mold of this case being "injustice" Or ignore statements made by whites and fully accept statements made by blacks, assuming that the whites are all racist and trying to cover stuff up and blacks must be telling the truth because they are victims!!!!
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Wrong, facts are facts and heresay is where the bias comes in.

When doing this sort of research, Mr. Bean could have chosen to ignore statements made by teachers, police, court officials, and citizens contrary to the mold of this case being "injustice" Or ignore statements made by whites and fully accept statements made by blacks, assuming that the whites are all racist and trying to cover stuff up and blacks must be telling the truth because they are victims!!!!
"Could have." The same thing applies to law enforcement officials. They have to depend on hearsay too.
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People believe ANYTHING to be racism these days, as long as a black organization says it is.
Most people believe noose hanging is racist, and most people believe dismissing it as a "childish prank" is racist. Most people don't understand why six black youths were charged with attempted murder in a fight that ultimately resulted in a swollen eye and minor cuts and abrasions, and because the DA had previously threatened to "end their lives...with his pen," they attribute it to racism.

This is a town that overwhelmingly voted for white supremacist, David Duke. A (recently retired) barber refused to cut black men's hair because white customers would be angered by the use of the same utensils on blacks as whites. The Jena Juvenile Justice Center was closed in 2000 due to inhuman treatment of detainees. Why do you find it implausible that racism might possibly exist there?

And then, there are those who agree with you:

White supremacist backlash builds over Jena case -- chicagotribune.com
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