Two of 'Jena Six' defendants present BET award - Page 28

Citizen · 11-15-07, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I did answer. I said it depends on the factors I listed. You just don't like the answer.

When a bunch of kids beat up on one kid, that is no common first fight. Priors don't count in a court of law. Besides, no one had priors except Bell. So why should they be charged. Threatening with a gun is aganst the law. Why was that kid not charged. Face it, this was descrimination.

dixon76710 · 11-15-07, 02:07 PM

Here is a likely more accurrate description of the events at the party, compared to the BS propaganda that Chanda and citizen are trying to pass off as "facts"

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“The facility was rented by a woman who was throwing a party for
her daughter,” Arbogast said. “During the course of that party that
night, where both blacks and whites attended, Robert Bailey, Jr.
and some other friends came to the party seeking a mutual friend
inside the party.”
Walters said that according to the statement given by Robert
Bailey, Jr., he was asked to leave by the person who was giving the
party.
“My understanding of the case is that the mother was going back
inside to get the friend and the defendant (Justin Sloan) comes out
and hits him (Bailey),” Walters said. “A scuffle ensues and then
Mr. Bailey leaves. All of this took place outside of the fair barn.”
The DA noted that this was not a fight because Robert Bailey did
not swing at Sloan or fight back.
“He did not do anything,” Walters said. “Robert Bailey, Jr. was the
victim of this incident. He was hit by the defendant’s fist, knocked
down, some type of scuffle occurred, then Mr. Bailey left.”
The police and DA noted that contrary to reports since the incident
that a beer bottle was used in the attack of Bailey, Bailey’s own
statement written after the incident said that he was hit only with
the fist of Sloan.
“There was no statement given by the victim at that time that any
weapon was used in the attack,” Walters said. “There is nothing in
his statement that says ‘he hit me with a beer bottle.’ He did not go
to the hospital for stitches and there is no medical evidence other
than this was a simple battery.”
Walters said that Sloan was arrested for simple battery, prosecuted
for simple battery, pled guilty to simple battery, and was sentenced
for simple battery.
“As part of his sentence, he was made to apologize to Robert
Bailey in open court,” Walters said. “In sumassion, it started as a
simple battery, the evidence supported a simple battery, and it was
prosecuted as a simple battery. It was only after the fact, after the
‘Jena Six’ began to receive national attention that I heard that a
beer bottle was involved and stitches were involved. So, I checked
with the local hospital and there was no medical evidence to
support the accusation.”
http://www.thejenatimes.net/Chronolo..._of-Events.pdf

jallman · 11-15-07, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Citizen

When a bunch of kids beat up on one kid, that is no common first fight.

Actually, it is. Now when a bunch of kids brutally hospitalize one kid, then you have a problem.

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Priors don't count in a court of law.

Since when?

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Besides, no one had priors except Bell.

Okay, so then Bell deserves a much stiffer penalty than the others.

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So why should they be charged.

I dunno...probably because they were part of a brutal beating that hospitalized another student.

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Threatening with a gun is aganst the law. Why was that kid not charged. Face it, this was descrimination.

Dunno why that kid wasn't charged. Threatening with a gun is not illegal when self defense is the motive. Perhaps...

We don't know that this is discrimination because there isn't enough evidence to prove that it is. All we know is some black kids were involved and Sharpton arrived with a bull horn.

Citizen · 11-15-07, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

Here is a likely more accurrate description of the events at the party, compared to the BS propaganda that Chanda and citizen are trying to pass off as "facts"

This is a bogus account. No reporter would write a report so biased.

dixon76710 · 11-15-07, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Citizen

When a bunch of kids beat up on one kid, that is no common first fight. Priors don't count in a court of law. Besides, no one had priors except Bell. So why should they be charged. Threatening with a gun is aganst the law. Why was that kid not charged. Face it, this was descrimination.

One guy hit Bailey one time with his fist. And I wouldnt buy the version of the gotta go store incident given by those arrested.

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(Justin Sloan) comes out and hits him (Bailey),” Walters said. “A scuffle ensues and then Mr. Bailey leaves. All of this took place outside of the fair barn.”...
another altercation occurred at the Gotta-Go Grocery, a convenience store
near the Jena Airport, that resulted in three Jena High School
students arrested on several charges and the victim having to be
treated at the hospital for injuries.
The victim, Matt Windham, alleges that three black males attacked
and robbed him while the three accused are claiming self-defense.
Both the victim and those arrested offered different statements to
police, however, two eye witnesses to the event unrelated to the
victim or those arrested, gave a report of the incident that
corresponded with the victim.
Those arrested include: Robert Bailey, Jr., 17, of Jena; Ryan
http://www.thejenatimes.net/Chronolo..._of-Events.pdf

roguenuke · 11-15-07, 02:31 PM

The fair barn incident was reported as, first one white man hit Bailey. It has been reported that Bailey did not hit him back, but this is one of many discrepencies. After the white man and Bailey and his four friends were asked to leave by the woman at the door at the party, a fight was reported as breaking out outside the barn between Bailey AND his friends and the white man and some other white guys (reports mixed on whether the others were students or not). The difference here is that this is a fight, while the Jena six were involved in an attack. There was no surprise from behind leaving a person unconscience, unable to defend himself while multiple assailants kicked him. I do not know how many white guys were involved in the fight total, but unless it was significantly more than 6, then the odds were close if not even. Besides if their were a whole lot more than five or six white guys involved, then one would have to believe that there would have been more injuries to Bailey and his friends. The police investigated this fight. The man who hit Bailey first was charged. If the police had charged the other white guys in the fight, then Bailey and his friends would have been charged too. The charges were brought against the guy who reportedly and admittedly threw the first punch. From all the reports of this fight, no one went to the hospital, no one was unable to defend themself. This isn't the same case as the Jena six attack on J. Barker.

Citizen · 11-15-07, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by roguenuke

The fair barn incident was reported as, first one white man hit Bailey. It has been reported that Bailey did not hit him back, but this is one of many discrepencies. After the white man and Bailey and his four friends were asked to leave by the woman at the door at the party, a fight was reported as breaking out outside the barn between Bailey AND his friends and the white man and some other white guys (reports mixed on whether the others were students or not). The difference here is that this is a fight, while the Jena six were involved in an attack. There was no surprise from behind leaving a person unconscience, unable to defend himself while multiple assailants kicked him. I do not know how many white guys were involved in the fight total, but unless it was significantly more than 6, then the odds were close if not even. Besides if their were a whole lot more than five or six white guys involved, then one would have to believe that there would have been more injuries to Bailey and his friends. The police investigated this fight. The man who hit Bailey first was charged. If the police had charged the other white guys in the fight, then Bailey and his friends would have been charged too. The charges were brought against the guy who reportedly and admittedly threw the first punch. From all the reports of this fight, no one went to the hospital, no one was unable to defend themself. This isn't the same case as the Jena six attack on J. Barker.

I have seen no report that indicates that Bailey hit back. There was no one else asked to leave the party but Bailey. This is the D.A's statement:

"It wasn't a fight," Walters said. "Robert Bailey didn't swing. He didn't do anything. The kid hit him, knocked him down. No beer bottle, no anything. There was no statement of the victim at that time indicating any weapon was used. ... The defendant (Sloan) was arrested on a simple battery. He was prosecuted on a simple battery.

He pled guilty to a simple battery.

"It was only after the fact that I learned that a beer bottle was involved, that stitches were involved," Walters continued.

Citizen · 11-15-07, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Actually, it is. Now when a bunch of kids brutally hospitalize one kid, then you have a problem.

Since when?

Okay, so then Bell deserves a much stiffer penalty than the others.

I dunno...probably because they were part of a brutal beating that hospitalized another student.

Dunno why that kid wasn't charged. Threatening with a gun is not illegal when self defense is the motive. Perhaps...

We don't know that this is discrimination because there isn't enough evidence to prove that it is. All we know is some black kids were involved and Sharpton arrived with a bull horn.

So you can't say that all of this is fair. Prior don't count until that person is found guilty of a crime. He had not even had a trial yet. Here this link.

Townhall.com::What They Donâ€™t Want You To Know About The Jena 6 Case::By John Hawkins

jallman · 11-15-07, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Citizen

So you can't say that all of this is fair. Prior don't count until that person is found guilty of a crime. He had not even had a trial yet. Here this link.

Townhall.com::What They Donâ€™t Want You To Know About The Jena 6 Case::By John Hawkins

Priors go to evidence in establishing a pattern of behavior that aggravates an offense. So yes, priors do count even before a subsequent conviction. Try again.

Further, I never made any assertion about "fairness" or equity in the two, separate cases. I am only asserting that justice was served in both cases...or at least it was going to be served before Sharpton and his bullhorn got there.

Caine · 11-15-07, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Citizen

When a bunch of kids beat up on one kid, that is no common first fight. Priors don't count in a court of law. Besides, no one had priors except Bell. So why should they be charged. Threatening with a gun is aganst the law. Why was that kid not charged. Face it, this was descrimination.

Negative.
There is no evidence to show that there were multiple whites beating on the black kid during the Barn Party Fight. Only the one black kid victim's statements, which were contrary to the witnesses, who stated there multiple subjects on both sides of the fight.

Intending to threaten someone with a gun is different from defending yourself when being chased down by 3 thugs.

Anything else?