Bush warns of World War III if Iran goes nuclear - Page 11

Iriemon · 10-18-07, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Onine

I wont disagree with you. Your point is valid. If you have one of these imaginary options then I am honestly all ears.

However, Iran has everything to do with lives being lost because they are funding terrorists. Are you seriously going to make me get a source? Because that would be rather unintellectual of you to do.

The evidence that the Iranian Govt is funding "terrorists" in Iraq is suspect. Certainly the folks that gave us yellowcake, aluminum tubes, WMD we know where it is, hundreds of tons of chemical weapons, reconsituted nukes, terrorist training camps at Salmon Pak, Hussein in bed with AQ, etc etc are saying that.

But those folks have little credibility with me. Something about fool me once can't get fooled again.

But even if Iran is funding groups in Iraq, withdrawal of US troops from Iraq (like our president promised we'd do) would resolve that issue.

As far as Iran funding anti-Israel groups (as many other ME nations do), that is Israel's issue, not ours. Yes we should do what we can to mediate such disputes, but Israel is not a state of this nation.

Iriemon · 10-18-07, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by reaganburch

You really think that if Israel hit Iran with a nuclear strike, even if it were retaliatory, that the world community wouldn't be all up in arms AT Israel?

Sure. But if it was retaliatory would it cause global war? Unlikely IMO.

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Hell, when Hezbollah kidnapped Israel soldiers and then attacked Israel itself not too long ago, the world community damned Israel for responding, not Syria, Iran & Hezbollah for starting the whole damn thing....

Did WWIII start?

Iriemon · 10-18-07, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHurt

I find this to be an interesting statement. Why must Bush always be the target?

I remember discussing Iran and nuking them back in the 70's after the Shaw fell, and they took our embassy.

Diplomacy, peace treaties, cease fires, sanctions, resolutions, economic aid, humanitarian aid and world pressure hasn't worked.

Bush is the only president we've had with the balls to say enough is enough, we're taking the fight to them.

It's been ugly, anything but perfect, but what war has ever been perfect?

Slowly but surely Iraq is coming under control. It took the United States 13 years after declaring independence before we elected a president. We had a civil war. We still have corruption after 230+ years in existence. Yet we expect oppressed people in a backward a$$ dark ages country, to become a perfect model of democracy in 4 years? Ludicrous.

We're there, we're staying there. The important thing to figure out, with EVERYONES support, is how can we quickly end the fighting, and transition our troops into a supporting role.

Pi$$ing and moaning is water under the bridge, withdrawal is a fantasy.

Solutions for the desired end result, is what is needed now.

There is a solution for the "mistaken" war and occupation of Iraq and the continued harm it is causing this nation in dealing with anti-American radicalism. I wouldn't be so sure of your position.

reaganburch · 10-18-07, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

Sure. But if it was retaliatory would it cause global war? Unlikely IMO.

I can see the logic in the arguments for both sides there...

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

Did WWIII start?

Wasn't trying to imply that it did... especially with only conventional weapons being used... However, with nukes flying back and forth between Iran & Israel? It very well could if it came to nuclear weapons being put in play by Iran...

Iriemon · 10-18-07, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by reaganburch

I can see the logic in the arguments for both sides there...

Wasn't trying to imply that it did... especially with only conventional weapons being used... However, with nukes flying back and forth between Iran & Israel? It very well could if it came to nuclear weapons being put in play by Iran...

If Iran launched a nuke against Israel, Israel would have every right to retaliate and IMO the US would too.

But I see no reason to expect it would go beyond that. The other ME states are too weak to do anything effectively, even if they had the thought to. And the likelihood that China, Russia, or any other nuke power would risk nuclear annihilation by joining the fray is not realistic, IMO.

GottaHurt · 10-18-07, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

There is a solution for the "mistaken" war and occupation of Iraq and the continued harm it is causing this nation in dealing with anti-American radicalism. I wouldn't be so sure of your position.

This is what bothers me about the liberals, you say there's a solution, yet none of the liberals elaborate on this "solution".

Without withdrawal as an option, please tell us your solution.

Ikari · 10-18-07, 04:34 PM

Withdraw is the solution.

GottaHurt · 10-18-07, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

Withdraw is the solution.

Terrorists seize the country, take over the oil fields, oil prices go through the roof, and provides the terrorsts unlimited funding, which will undoubtedly be used against us.

Withdrawal is not an option. Try again.

Ikari · 10-18-07, 04:42 PM

Meh, we can develop something which is not based on oil...not the worst thing ever. Also, the hyperbole about "terrorists taking over" isn't a full drawn conclusion. What makes you think the Iraqi people would allow the terrorists to take over any more than they would allow us to take over? Knee jerk reactions whilst ignoring reality isn't going to solve nothing. The fact of the matter is this military intervention you love, the misuse of my military and my brethren and my money that you love so much, is actually doing more harm than good. But I suppose more harm is alright because you perceive some action as being taken.

winston53660 · 10-18-07, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHurt

Terrorists seize the country, take over the oil fields, oil prices go through the roof, and provides the terrorsts unlimited funding, which will undoubtedly be used against us.

Withdrawal is not an option. Try again.

Doubtful considering people in Iraq really do not support AQ. AQ's main reason for existence is our Imperial presence take that away and they lose a lot of their omph.