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*Breaking News* Yale Law, Newly Defeated, Allows Military Recruiters; Originally Posted by RightinNYC Pretty much every research university receives tens or hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal ...

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Old 10-02-07, 02:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Pretty much every research university receives tens or hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government, mostly for their medical or research programs.
There is a difference between the government funding medical research at Yale because the government wants to encourage medical research, and the government giving money to Yale because they want to support Yale. The former is equivilant to a financial transaction- the government gives Yale money to do something specific that it wants. The later is more like the government funding the arts or public TV.

If that's what everyone means by "federal funding" then I'm going to have to side with Yale on this. This is like the government buying nails from Home Depot and then complaining about the internal hireing practices of Home Depot, claiming that it has the right to do so merely because they're Home Depot's client.
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he was a football player and in a fraternity. I wonder how he got into Yale.
A legacy? That's how Bush got into Yale (and Bush was a cheerleader too, just like now).
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You might be surprised my left wing friend.......The military is and honorable profession......
I didnt say it wasn't an honorable profession. I just think that the millitary would be an ineffective use Ivy League graduates. They should be captains of industry or high academics or somthing.
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A legacy? That's how Bush got into Yale (and Bush was a cheerleader too, just like now).
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There is a difference between the government funding medical research at Yale because the government wants to encourage medical research, and the government giving money to Yale because they want to support Yale. The former is equivilant to a financial transaction- the government gives Yale money to do something specific that it wants. The later is more like the government funding the arts or public TV.

If that's what everyone means by "federal funding" then I'm going to have to side with Yale on this. This is like the government buying nails from Home Depot and then complaining about the internal hireing practices of Home Depot, claiming that it has the right to do so merely because they're Home Depot's client.
A corporate purchaser doesn't have the right to choose to give its money to an equally able competitor of Home Depot if he finds Home Depot's practices to be contrary to his business's rules?
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How often does the government get this upset about other private contractors?

Here's the bottom line, Yale is in a unique bargaining position. Very few other institutions can provide the kind of research it can, so the government really can't snub them too effectively. What the Ivy Leagues need to do is organize and refuse all government money until the government stops interferring in their affairs. Yale, Hardvard, etc. not only have outrageous amounts of money but can almost certaintly find private sources of research funding. The government (and its Pharma lobbyists who do not want to pay for the research themselves) needs the Ivy Leagues more then the Ivys need the government.
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How often does the government get this upset about other private contractors?
How often are there statutes specifically stating what private contractors can and cannot do with literally tens of billions of dollars?

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Here's the bottom line, Yale is in a unique bargaining position. Very few other institutions can provide the kind of research it can, so the government really can't snub them too effectively. What the Ivy Leagues need to do is organize and refuse all government money until the government stops interferring in their affairs. Yale, Hardvard, etc. not only have outrageous amounts of money but can almost certaintly find private sources of research funding. The government (and its Pharma lobbyists who do not want to pay for the research themselves) needs the Ivy Leagues more then the Ivys need the government.
This is actually not true at all. Of the top ten institutions receiving federal funds, only two are Ivy League schools. Yale doesn't even make the list.

Fact is, if these schools were willing to turn down hundreds of millions to keep two recruiters off campus for a day, they'd do it. But they're not, because they know other places would jump at it.
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That's fair, I would agree that Yale should have the courage of its own convictions and not accept government money.
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That's fair, I would agree that Yale should have the courage of its own convictions and not accept government money.
Yale receives over 350million a year from the federal government - mostly for funding cancer and other medical research.

That's 350MILLION a YEAR.

No matter how wealthy a school is (and, yes, Yale is a very wealthy school), you can't just blow off 350million a YEAR.
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