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Hearings on Hip Hop music? Are you ****ing kidding me?

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Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

CTV.ca | U.S. Congress examines hip-hop language, tone
 
Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

CTV.ca | U.S. Congress examines hip-hop language, tone

Erbodi nos dat nuggah talk's mo'impo-tant den sei - Irak?
 
Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

CTV.ca | U.S. Congress examines hip-hop language, tone

That, and "Popcorn Lung".....no wonder they have a, what, 11% aproval rating....at least the president is focusing on what matters: killing bad guys...even if you think he's doing a piss poor job, he's not wasting time on hip-hop.
 
Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

CTV.ca | U.S. Congress examines hip-hop language, tone

ironically enough, the "censor violent video games" movement is primarily the hobbyhorse of the Left, while the "ban obscene lyrics" movement is primarily a Right-wing agenda.

The Left, you see, wants to censor violence.
The Right wants to censor sex.
Both agendas are based on the same erroneous principle: that seeing or hearing these things in popular entertainment will encourage people to do them, who wouldn't have otherwise.

Silliness.
 
ironically enough, the "censor violent video games" movement is primarily the hobbyhorse of the Left, while the "ban obscene lyrics" movement is primarily a Right-wing agenda.

The Left, you see, wants to censor violence.
The Right wants to censor sex.
Both agendas are based on the same erroneous principle: that seeing or hearing these things in popular entertainment will encourage people to do them, who wouldn't have otherwise.

Silliness.

Rappers are the product of guys in business suits. Everybody blames them. What they fail to see is that these "gangstas" are backed by dudes like Jimmy Iovine and the guys who run the Universal Music Group. Do you honestly think Russel Simmons runs anything? Do people really think Dr. Dre runs aftermath? Do people honestly think Jay-Z plays a key role in the decisions made by Def Jam? :rofl . Blame the people who put them there. Not the rappers themselves. They're just ponds.
 
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Rappers are the product of guys in business suits. Everybody blames them. What they fail to see is that these "gangstas" are backed by dudes like Jimmy Iovine and the guys who run the Universal Music Group. Do you honestly think Russel Simmons runs anything? Do people really think Dr. Dre runs aftermath? Do people honestly think Jay-Z plays a key role in the decisions made by Def Jam? :rofl . Blame the people who put them there. Not the rappers themselves.

There is something to this idea. Without the 'machinery' of a record company (admin, promotion and distribution) the well known icons you mention would not be as successful or else they'd have to find some way to do themselves what the record company does for them.

But without the producers who actually scout and develop and produce and record and otherwise interact with the artists and who have street cred with the artists and the listening audience, the record company people behind the scenes wouldn't have the same ability to quickly find and present to the public fresh new artists and sounds. They would have to spend more money to realize a return on investment and the return on investment might not be as great as it now is.

So the front guys need the back guys and vice versa.

They're just ponds.

The word is PAWNS.

I am amazed at how some people have the nerve to criticize Bush. :mrgreen:

chevydriver1123 said:
Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

What you don't realize is that we ALL pick up words and ideas from those around us ALL THE TIME. Always have and always will. In the house where you grew up there were words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors shared and from your exposure to those influences you go out into the world and represent what you were exposed to.

As time goes on you are able to either enhance, minimize or overcome those influences, but the influences DO have some effect on you.

It would be wrong to say we aren't influenced by good things to become better people* but IMHO it's more likely that you are more likely that until you reach the point where you see how your words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors hurt you you'll have no reason to change what you say, what you think, how you feel and what you do.

And so what we have in these hearings are an attempt by the people in our society who understand how harmful these words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors are trying to limit the amount of harm inflicted on society. And on the OTHER side are those who have not yet learned how harmful these words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors are or can be.

We can call it the Right vs the Left. The Haves vs the Have Nots. The Establishment vs the People. The Old vs the Young.

It's more accurate to call it a negotiation between the Enlightened vs the Unenlightened. And the Enlightened will use facts and figures to make their case. The Unenlightened will cite the Constitution, and from a position of possible financial loss, will primarily use emotions to make their case.

The fact of the matter is that with ANY and EVERY popular art form; TV, Film, Music, Literature, Video Games, there IS an effect on the audience.

The greatest insult one can lodge against a work of art is to say, "it left me cold." "I was unmoved." "It was a yawner."

WE WANT TO BE EMOTIONALLY AFFECTED AND THAT'S WHY WE ENGAGE THAT ART FORM!

So, to say that the lyrics don't have an effect on us is nonsense. To say that the excitement of a video game doesn't have an effect on us is disingenuous. And while we all have our own examples of doing something harmful or potentially harmful without suffering any ill effects, if we are truthful with ourselves we know that we lucked out by taking acid and not ending up like Reverend Jim on Taxi. We know that the drunken fights we were in that we walked away from with only scrapes and bruises could have been deadly. We know that driving 100 miles an hour on a deserted stretch of road was a thrill that wasn't worth the risk but didn't result in death, injury, damage to the car or a speeding ticket.

By the way, unless your tires are rated for high speeds you will lose control due to the sidewalls getting hot from the increased friction and turning into jelly. The mystery crash on an open road with no skid marks where a car is wrapped around a light stanchion or tree is often due to loss of control broght on by high speeds that the tires couldn't handle.

And in those and thousands of other examples of how we didn't personally pay the price of our ignorance not everyone can say the same. I KNOW people who are in prison having been influenced by music and images. Not that the music and images are the sole cause and not that you could easily draw a straight line from the influence to the behaviors that got them incarcerated. But to deny any influence is simply like arguing that your favorite dessert should remain on the dinner menu because YOU like it.

Then the next thing you might say is that almost EVERYBODY likes it.

And that is a persuasive argument when it comes to marketing and business. You find a need and fill it. You give the customers what they want. And that's the hallmark of capitalism. Supply and demand.

However, we all recognize there are certain things that most people want that really aren't good for us.

At one time smoking was pleasurable, fashionable and because it was addictive it was very, very popular. The problem was that it kills people and as obvious as that is there are sometimes reports of 99 year old men or women who have smoked all their adult lives and for whom smoking didn't obviously shorten their lifespans. And as much as the tobacco companies might like those people to be thought of as the norm, we know they aren't. Yet and still, smoking remains legal, though it is heavily taxed and anti-smoking ad campaigns promise to make it less and less popular.

So with a substance as obviously harmful as tobacco to remain legal I don't think the video game or hip hop industries should have any real fears for their livelihoods.

These hearings are just Congress' attempt to do what little they can to address a problem that was hatched from a seed planted in the 1960's by well meaning but unenlightened progressive politicians.

The destruction of the black family.

They have been trying for years to find a way to address all the problems stemming from their progressive policies of the 1960's & '70's and they just can't do it.

*That gives me an idea for a new thread topic. "What influences have made you a better person?"
 
There is something to this idea. Without the 'machinery' of a record company (admin, promotion and distribution) the well known icons you mention would not be as successful or else they'd have to find some way to do themselves what the record company does for them.

But without the producers who actually scout and develop and produce and record and otherwise interact with the artists and who have street cred with the artists and the listening audience, the record company people behind the scenes wouldn't have the same ability to quickly find and present to the public fresh new artists and sounds. They would have to spend more money to realize a return on investment and the return on investment might not be as great as it now is.

So the front guys need the back guys and vice versa.

I disagree. Rappers are just products. Their 15 mins of fame can last years if they sell out properly or seconds if they stay "real". Just look at the old school rappers today. The only one who I don't think has sold out is Ice T. But he's from a different generation. Look at Ice Cube and Snoop Dogg. Both of them are sellouts. How do you go from...Gin and Juice and Fvck the police...to Barbershop and talking animal movies?

The word is PAWNS.

I am amazed at how some people have the nerve to criticize Bush. :mrgreen:

When he can pronounce both pawns and pond get back to me.
 
I disagree. Rappers are just products. Their 15 mins of fame can last years if they sell out properly or seconds if they stay "real". Just look at the old school rappers today. The only one who I don't think has sold out is Ice T. But he's from a different generation. Look at Ice Cube and Snoop Dogg. Both of them are sellouts. How do you go from...Gin and Juice and Fvck the police...to Barbershop and talking animal movies?

In your opinion, what is the purpose of life?

When he can pronounce both pawns and pond get back to me.

Hey, he coined the word, "misunderestimate."

That earned him a "Lifetime Free Pass" for ANY future malaprops or verbal faux pas.
 
ironically enough, the "censor violent video games" movement is primarily the hobbyhorse of the Left, while the "ban obscene lyrics" movement is primarily a Right-wing agenda.

The Left, you see, wants to censor violence.
The Right wants to censor sex.
Both agendas are based on the same erroneous principle: that seeing or hearing these things in popular entertainment will encourage people to do them, who wouldn't have otherwise.

Silliness.

Both really piss me the hell off. Im an adult I know the difference between right and wrong. People need to stop blaming the artists, the developer, the company etc and blame the parents. They are responsible for their children's behavior. Our tax dollars can be used for something other than this. I didnt even hear about this crap until The Daily Show made fun of it.
 
In your opinion, what is the purpose of life?

IMO? There is none. If we're living just so we can die and go to some
heaven with 72 virgins or a blonde jewish guy and his daddy, then there that really isn't that much of a meaning now is there? It's kind of like working your entire life and dedicating it to just one cause and then getting a watch and a plaque after 20-30 years of service then being retired to a life of boredom. It's one of the reason I could never be a cop or any other job that basically requires me to do the same task over...and over...etc etc.

Hey, he coined the word, "misunderestimate."

That earned him a "Lifetime Free Pass" for ANY future malaprops or verbal faux pas.

Hahaha this had me chuckling pretty loudly(I'm at a cafe). The chick at the cash thought I was smiling at her.
 
I am absolutely floored that they were even considering some kind of censorship.

I am pleased, however, that they did not take such a drastically wrong step.
 
IMO? There is none. If we're living just so we can die and go to some
heaven with 72 virgins or a blonde jewish guy and his daddy, then there that really isn't that much of a meaning now is there? It's kind of like working your entire life and dedicating it to just one cause and then getting a watch and a plaque after 20-30 years of service then being retired to a life of boredom. It's one of the reason I could never be a cop or any other job that basically requires me to do the same task over...and over...etc etc.

Hahaha this had me chuckling pretty loudly(I'm at a cafe). The chick at the cash thought I was smiling at her.

That can't be a bad thing.
 
They tried this same garbage in the 80's with metal. This is why you see the "Warning Explicit Lyrics" stickers on CDs/ and on some download sites. Its always been a democrat led charge in regards to censorship for the entertainment industry, although I think republicans aren't to adamant about fighting it themselves. It was a demcratically led congress during the hearings in the 80s, and its now a democratically led congress now. But because Regan was president during the 80s, everybody wrongly assumes that it was a right-wing push to censor.

Personally, I think rap is to music what McDonalds is to food.
 
bhkad said:
And so what we have in these hearings are an attempt by the people in our society who understand how harmful these words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors are trying to limit the amount of harm inflicted on society. And on the OTHER side are those who have not yet learned how harmful these words, phrases, attitudes and behaviors are or can be.
I think an important question to answer is, do words and phrases lead to attitudes and behaviors, or is it the other way around?
 
They tried this same garbage in the 80's with metal. This is why you see the "Warning Explicit Lyrics" stickers on CDs/ and on some download sites. Its always been a democrat led charge in regards to censorship for the entertainment industry, although I think republicans aren't to adamant about fighting it themselves. It was a demcratically led congress during the hearings in the 80s, and its now a democratically led congress now. But because Regan was president during the 80s, everybody wrongly assumes that it was a right-wing push to censor.

Personally, I think rap is to music what McDonalds is to food.

Metal is just an excuse for effeminate men to wear make up and leather and get away with it.
 
Metal is just an excuse for effeminate men to wear make up and leather and get away with it.

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No idea what you are talking about. Thats just nonsense Hatuey.....
 
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No idea what you are talking about. Thats just nonsense Hatuey.....

Wanna know something really funny? I got a belt buckle just like that one :rofl
 
I think an important question to answer is, do words and phrases lead to attitudes and behaviors, or is it the other way around?

There is a two-way cause and effect dynamic going on there.

We can hear something and it can cause us to take action.

We can do a thing without ever making a conscious choice about it or having an opinion about it and taking that action will lead us to other options and choices of words, attitudes and behaviors.

No one who ever tried pot started out life as a pot head or a criminal or a slacker. And if they had no knowledge of pot and were just handed a joint at a party and they tried it and LIKED it then their future words and deeds might be changed because their experience changed their attitude about pot.

The other side of that continuum might be expressed by a family which is close and loving and the parents teach the kids that recreational drugs are illegal and harmful physically and emotionally and those attitudes and words go on to prevent the children in that family from ever trying drugs.

Words can influence attitudes and actions.

Actions can influence attitudes and what we say.

Hip Hop music is certainly helping to popularize attitudes and behaviors that encourage the erosion of our societal fabric.
 
They tried this same garbage in the 80's with metal. This is why you see the "Warning Explicit Lyrics" stickers on CDs/ and on some download sites. Its always been a democrat led charge in regards to censorship for the entertainment industry, although I think republicans aren't to adamant about fighting it themselves. It was a demcratically led congress during the hearings in the 80s, and its now a democratically led congress now. But because Regan was president during the 80s, everybody wrongly assumes that it was a right-wing push to censor.

Personally, I think rap is to music what McDonalds is to food.

Actually, it's worse than that, IMHO.

It is like the genocide in Rwanda that we were able to ignore and avoid because it is THOSE people doing what they are going to do and as long as they do it to each other, who cares?

Well, with what is happening in America's big cities these days it's just a matter of time before that violence and those attitudes explode in our faces.

And the recent move by a Muslim based group to help control and organize the unruly or violent gangs of undisciplined and misguided Hip Hoppers is either a wonderful or a frightening prospect.

Commish: I need 10,000 black men
Volunteers will patrol high-crime areas

By DAVE DAVIES

Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson is joining with civic leaders in an effort to recruit 10,000 black men to fight crime in Philadelphia's toughest neighborhoods.

Dubbed "A Call to Action: 10,000 men - It's a New Day," the effort will begin Oct. 21 with a rally and recruitment drive at the Liacouras Center, followed days afterward by the training of the volunteers to act as community "peacekeepers."

"It's time for African-American men to stand up," Johnson said in an interview. "We have an obligation to protect our women, our children and our elderly. We're going to put men on the street. We're going to train them in conflict resolution."

Johnson said volunteers will be asked to patrol in high-crime areas for two to three hours a day for "a minimum of 90 days."

He said that the effort wasn't a city program, though many police commanders will be involved in training volunteers and supporting the patrolling peacekeepers, and training will take place at city recreation centers.

Community and religious leaders will be closely involved, Johnson said.

A key architect of the strategy is Dennis Muhammad, chief of security for Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan. Muhammad has a Detroit-based consulting business that works with police departments on community policing and sensitivity training.

Muhammad met in City Hall last summer with Johnson, Mayor Street and some business leaders, and Johnson was enthusiastic about the notion of rallying African-American men to stem the growing tide of violence.

In an interview yesterday, Muhammad said he envisions a dramatic presence in Philadelphia's most troubled neighborhoods that could inspire a national movement.

"We plan to deploy these men and distinguish them with a colored shirt or something, and our very physical presence will become a deterrent," Muhammad said. "It would be hard to commit a crime on a corner with 200 men.

"When this is successful, we hope to bottle this and take it to every major city in the country," he said.

Johnson said he's met regularly with record-industry mogul Kenny Gamble and radio host and executive E. Stephen Collins to plan the undertaking.

Commish: I need 10,000 black men | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/12/2007

Think, "Surge Plan."

In our own backyard.




Should we start counting?
 
Gee I thought the right was always squawking about free speech. I wonder if the same type of language that is used in Hip Hop was used Country (the typical choice of music for your average red state putz) music the Senate would be wasting its time. I just love how our pathetic government knows what its priorities are. So I wonder how long till the next violent video game hearing. Jesus Christ

CTV.ca | U.S. Congress examines hip-hop language, tone
The problem is that the right is being assigned the moniker of anti-first amendment and didn't do very much to attack speech or expression in the entertainment industry, mainly porn(which I disagree with) gets focused on by conservatives, both eras of entertainment hearings were during democrat control of the legislature. It makes no difference to me, however if it is the Tipper Gore led PMRC, Hillary's attack on video games, or an attack on Hip-Hop(of which I am not a fan), whether it is republicans or democrats leading the charge it's an attack on the constitution and wrong. I do consider myself the "right" though, I just represent the conservative values of it and don't believe in the "values" approach many of the RINOs use.

Rappers are the product of guys in business suits. Everybody blames them. What they fail to see is that these "gangstas" are backed by dudes like Jimmy Iovine and the guys who run the Universal Music Group. Do you honestly think Russel Simmons runs anything? Do people really think Dr. Dre runs aftermath? Do people honestly think Jay-Z plays a key role in the decisions made by Def Jam? :rofl . Blame the people who put them there. Not the rappers themselves. They're just ponds.
Tru Dat. Seriously, I can't argue against this point.

Both really piss me the hell off. Im an adult I know the difference between right and wrong. People need to stop blaming the artists, the developer, the company etc and blame the parents. They are responsible for their children's behavior. Our tax dollars can be used for something other than this. I didnt even hear about this crap until The Daily Show made fun of it.
I think that's a key point. Most of the new breed of politicians out there don't necessarily act like adults should be left to their own liberties and instead want to "shelter" americans from their own choices, which is sad. Every choice that exists has consequences, but those consequences outweigh the alternative, that being more government control of our lives.
 
They are responsible for their children's behavior.

No they aren't.
Children are responsible for children's behavior.
But if someone other than the children themselves must be held accountable, then I suppose parents make a more practical and convenient scapegoat than society at large.
 
No they aren't.
Children are responsible for children's behavior.
But if someone other than the children themselves must be held accountable, then I suppose parents make a more practical and convenient scapegoat than society at large.

As a parent you are responsible what is exposed to your child. It pisses me off when parents cant see their own follies of their own actions. Just take alook at the last few school shootings. Besides on the usually political bickering between the left and right; its liberals fault its conservatives fault, its minorities fault its those damm gays and so on. Afterward guess who becomes the scapegoat: video games, music, tv, movies and every other goddam form of entertainment. You wanna know why these right and left wing parental groups use these excuses? Its because these people have the deep pockets for when it becomes lawsuit time.
 
As a parent you are responsible what is exposed to your child. It pisses me off when parents cant see their own follies of their own actions.

Whatever.
Are you a parent?
From the time kids can walk, they're walking away.
Out into the world, exploring.
You are not "responsible what is exposed to your child", not unless you've constructed some sort of giant playpen in which to imprison your child until his or her eighteenth birthday, which is probably against the law, in any event.
But I agree that it is expedient and practical to hold parents legally accountable for the actions of their children.
And I have no quarrel with it.
 
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