California approves same-sex marriage bill; governor expected to veto

danarhea · 09-07-07, 10:14 PM

So, what about gay marriage? Here are my thoughts on it, first, from a "traditional" Christian perspective, then morphing into a Constitutional perspective.

The Gay Marriage Issue for Dummies

An Argument For Gay Marriage in 16 Simple Steps:

1) Marriage is, essentially, a religious ceremony - A rite, as it were. A commitment between 2 people who want to commit their lives to each other.

2) The traditional Christian church sees gay marriage as a sin.

3) However, according to the Bible, we have ALL sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

4) Never does a year go by without everyone in the whole world doing something that is against what the Bible teaches.

5) According to the Bible, Jesus came to give everlasting life to sinners - Not the self-righteous.

6) According to the Bible, a gay man or woman is not any worse of a sinner than someone who is NOT gay.

7) Actually, a gay man or woman is less of a sinner than a hypocrite, who Jesus said there is a special place in hell reserved for.

8) According to the Bible, Jesus loves everybody, even hypocrites.

9) There ARE gay churches in the United States.

11) There are more traditional churches in the United States than there are gay churches.

10) In denying gays the right to marry, the state is essentially promoting the views of traditional churches over the views of gay churches. Therefore, the state is promoting the establishment of a religion, which is unconstitutional.

11) What about state-issued marriage licenses themselves? In olden days, licenses were granted by a government only for the purpose of legalizing what would otherwise be illegal (a man marrying his sister, for instance). NOTE: George Washington never obtained a marriage license.

12) In the 1800's, intermarriage between blacks and whites was illegal in almost all states, so states began issuing marriage licenses, thus taking upon themselves the right to legislate who could get married and who couldn't.

13) What the states began has turned into the usurpation by the states of something that belongs to God. In essence, the religious establishment is now married to the state. This is an abomination unto God, according to the Bible.

14) Those who seek permission from the state to marry are committing a sin.

15) What should gays do? In short, they should be doing what everyone else should be doing.......

Getting married and giving the government a big, fat middle finger.

16) Gay or straight, live long and prosper, and be proud to be an American.

Article is here.

chevydriver1123 · 09-07-07, 10:59 PM

Very well put. I though the Governator said he wouldnt veto a bill that involved same-sex marriage or was that civil unions.

The Baron · 09-07-07, 11:11 PM

“1) Marriage is, essentially, a religious ceremony - A rite, as it were. A commitment between 2 people who want to commit their lives to each other.” – danarhea

And has always been between men and women.

“2) The traditional Christian church sees gay marriage as a sin.” – danarhea

This is true.

“3) However, according to the Bible, we have ALL sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” – danarhea

Also, quite true.

“4) Never does a year go by without everyone in the whole world doing something that is against what the Bible teaches.” – danarhea

Why do I feel like we are all about to be set-up?

“5) According to the Bible, Jesus came to give everlasting life to sinners - Not the self-righteous” – danarhea

Actually, it was everybody including the self-righteous.

They’re sinners too, ya know.

“6) According to the Bible, a gay man or woman is not any worse of a sinner than someone who is NOT gay.” - danarhea

Actually the Bible does not say that explicitly, but the “spirit” of your statement is true.

“7) Actually, a gay man or woman is less of a sinner than a hypocrite, who Jesus said there is a special place in hell reserved for.” – danarhea

Okay, I’m always willing to learn something new. Please give book, chapter and verse.

“8) According to the Bible, Jesus loves everybody, even hypocrites.” – danarhea

Also true…

“9) There ARE gay churches in the United States.” – danarhea

Yes, and such churches would be considered “spiritually dead” as they go against the clear teaching of Scripture.

“11) There are more traditional churches in the United States than there are gay churches.” – danarhea

I don’t know what the numbers are but I suspect that you’re right.

“10) In denying gays the right to marry, the state is essentially promoting the views of traditional churches over the views of gay churches. Therefore, the state is promoting the establishment of a religion, which is unconstitutional.” - danarhea

First off, you got your numbering all out of sequence.

Secondly, by not sanctioning the perversion of marriage known as "gay marriage" the government simply respects the covenant of marriage which has always existed between men and women across time, cultures and location.

This is not promoting anything. If the state mandated that everyone had to go to a Baptist Church on Sunday mornings--that would be promoting a religion.

Not falling for the fallacies of the gay agenda no more promotes Christianity than it does Islam, Buddhist, Taoist, etc.

“11) What about state-issued marriage licenses themselves? In olden days, licenses were granted by a government only for the purpose of legalizing what would otherwise be illegal (a man marrying his sister, for instance). NOTE: George Washington never obtained a marriage license.” – danarhea

What about state marriage licenses? They are still utilized to ensure that some redneck doesn’t marry his sister.

And who cares if George Washington didn’t have a “marriage license”? What difference does it make?

“12) In the 1800's, intermarriage between blacks and whites was illegal in almost all states, so states began issuing marriage licenses, thus taking upon themselves the right to legislate who could get married and who couldn't.” – danarhea

And unconscionable and unconstitutional act that was corrected by the courts. However, those cases didn’t change what marriage was as it still remained an institution between men and women regardless of their race.

“13) What the states began has turned into the usurpation by the states of something that belongs to God. In essence, the religious establishment is now married to the state. This is an abomination unto God, according to the Bible.” – danarhea

No it’s not. Read Romans 13: 1-3

“14) Those who seek permission from the state to marry are committing a sin.” – Danarhea

No, they are not. Read Romans 13: 1-3

“15) What should gays do? In short, they should be doing what everyone else should be doing....... Getting married and giving the government a big, fat middle finger.” – danarhea

Why? There is no Biblical precedence for it. There is no historical precedence for it. There is no cultural precedence for it.

So why should gays be getting married?

Kandahar · 09-07-07, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Baron

Yes, and such churches would be considered “spiritually dead” as they go against the clear teaching of Scripture.

I hope you've never eaten shellfish, or worn garments made of two different fabrics. Otherwise you're "spiritually dead," as you go against the clear teaching of scripture.

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Originally Posted by The Baron

Why? There is no Biblical precedence for it. There is no historical precedence for it. There is no cultural precedence for it.

In other words, discrimination is OK because that's the way it's always been. How ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by The Baron

So why should gays be getting married?

Because they are entitled to equal rights under the law, and should not be discriminated against based on their gender.

Binary_Digit · 09-07-07, 11:35 PM

The government needs to get the hell out of "marriage" altogether. Declare them both civil unions with identical rights and benefits, and let the churches argue over the stupid definition.

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Originally Posted by danarhea

In essence, the religious establishment is now married to the state. This is an abomination unto God, according to the Bible.

Where does it say that?

Binary_Digit · 09-07-07, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Baron

Why? There is no Biblical precedence for it. There is no historical precedence for it. There is no cultural precedence for it.

So why should gays be getting married?

Same reason heterosexuals get married. Because they want to.

Befuddled_Stoner · 09-08-07, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

10) In denying gays the right to marry, the state is essentially promoting the views of traditional churches over the views of gay churches. Therefore, the state is promoting the establishment of a religion, which is unconstitutional.

Quoted For Truth! The state needs to get its gods-damned hands the ****in' hell out of religious matters. Anyone who justifies this **** by bringing up the sanctity of marriage needs to have a copy of the Bill of Rights rammed so far up their nose that the content bypasses their thick skull and permanently lodge in their brain.

Binary_Digit · 09-08-07, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner

Quoted For Truth! The state needs to get its gods-damned hands the ****in' hell out of religious matters. Anyone who justifies this **** by bringing up the sanctity of marriage needs to have a copy of the Bill of Rights rammed so far up their nose that the content bypasses their thick skull and permanently lodge in their brain.

And they need to redirect their crusade at dysfunctional marriage and divorce, which are bigger threats to the "sanctity" of marriage than gay marriage ever was.

rhinefire · 09-08-07, 10:15 AM

I can think of no more repulsive sight than two males turning to each other and kissing in church after being pronounced degenerate and degenerate by a preacher. How pathetic.

Binary_Digit · 09-08-07, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rhinefire

I can think of no more repulsive sight than two males turning to each other and kissing in church after being pronounced degenerate and degenerate by a preacher. How pathetic.

Me neither! I also think it's repulsive when fat people wear spandex in public. But I'm not special, so I don't expect the law to infringe on other people's rights in order to protect me from what I find repulsive but is otherwise completely harmless.