Cleric al-Sadr Suspends Shiite Militia for Six Months

aquapub · 09-01-07, 05:45 PM

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updat......raq_08-29.html

"After two days of intense battles in Karbala, Iraq, Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered the suspension of his Mahdi Army for up to six months for 'rehabilitation.'"

Yeah, liberals are right. Now really is the time to surrender Iraq to terrorists.

bhkad · 09-01-07, 06:16 PM

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Islam and Peace

Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.

With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins.

The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.

Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization.

A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."

Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.

Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years.
Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].

In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.

Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice

What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice.

Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg.
When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics."

Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that.

Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.

The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations (cease-fire tactic)

aquapub · 09-03-07, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations (cease-fire tactic)

You mean it's not a religion of peace like we're told?!?

I thought being born in violence and remaining entrenched in self-initiated bloodshed in every corner of the world was supposed to indicate Islam was "misunderstood" but not violent.

Yes, this temporary cease fire is nothing more than an acknowledgement that we've kicked the crap out of his forces in Iraq.

Gibberish · 09-03-07, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updat......raq_08-29.html

"After two days of intense battles in Karbala, Iraq, Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered the suspension of his Mahdi Army for up to six months for 'rehabilitation.'"

Yeah, liberals are right. Now really is the time to surrender Iraq to terrorists.

First off Iraqi's are not the enemy. Sunni's are fighting Shiite's and vice versa. They are fighting for their religious denomination to control the country we spun into anarchy.

According to your article he is calling for a "rehabilitation" to regroup the militia into the single ideology it was meant to be and stop it from breaking into the sub-groups that it is becoming.

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Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered a six-month suspension of activities by his Mahdi Army militia in order to reorganize the force, and it will no longer attack U.S. and coalition troops, aides said Wednesday.

The militia was created to fight off Sunni attacks, not fight the US. But it is becoming internally anarchic with possible ties to Iranian weapons, which is why the regrouping.

chevydriver1123 · 09-03-07, 04:30 PM

At least Al-Sadr will be out of our hair for awhile.

G-Man · 09-03-07, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updat......raq_08-29.html

"After two days of intense battles in Karbala, Iraq, Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered the suspension of his Mahdi Army for up to six months for 'rehabilitation.'"

Yeah, liberals are right. Now really is the time to surrender Iraq to terrorists.

Iraqi Constitution -

Article (9):
1st —
(b) Forming military militias outside the framework of the armed forces is banned.

Yep all is well in Iraq and everything is hunky dorey, don't listen to those lies that there are actually illegal murdering militias operating openly in the streets and killing innocents. Besides its all ok now - Al Sadr has promised he won't order any killings for 6 months so we've obviously won now.

When are the troops coming home again?

Vader · 09-03-07, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations (cease-fire tactic)

Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins.

That very type of racist rhetoric is why Islam is easily the most hated religion in all the world.

aquapub · 09-03-07, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibberish

First off Iraqi's are not the enemy. Sunni's are fighting Shiite's and vice versa. They are fighting for their religious denomination to control the country we spun into anarchy.

And this has what to do with anything I've said?

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Originally Posted by Gibberish

According to your article he is calling for a "rehabilitation" to regroup the militia into the single ideology it was meant to be and stop it from breaking into the sub-groups that it is becoming.

The point is that we have decimated Al Sadr's militias and he's trying to buy time to regroup.

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Originally Posted by Gibberish

The militia was created to fight off Sunni attacks, not fight the US. But it is becoming internally anarchic with possible ties to Iranian weapons, which is why the regrouping.

Iran has been sending agents, clerics, weapons, fighters and money over the border since long before the sectarian violence heated up.

aquapub · 09-03-07, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

Iraqi Constitution -

Article (9):
1st —
(b) Forming military militias outside the framework of the armed forces is banned.

Yep all is well in Iraq and everything is hunky dorey, don't listen to those lies that there are actually illegal murdering militias operating openly in the streets and killing innocents. Besides its all ok now - Al Sadr has promised he won't order any killings for 6 months so we've obviously won now.

When are the troops coming home again?

Announcing that we've brutalized Sadr's forces so badly that he had to call for a cease fire and pointing out that it is under circumstances like this that Democrats seek to surrender Iraq to terrorists is pronouncing the war won and denying the existence of militias?

Um...sure.

G-Man · 09-04-07, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

Announcing that we've brutalized Sadr's forces so badly that he had to call for a cease fire and pointing out that it is under circumstances like this that Democrats seek to surrender Iraq to terrorists is pronouncing the war won and denying the existence of militias?

Um...sure.

The fact that he is free to decide when and where his private army will go on a killing spree demonstrates how little has been achieved in Iraq. Unfortunately your partisan blinkers won't let you see this.

Remember how GW went on tv and declared that Al-Sadr was a terrorist? Well he doesn't exactly hide in the desert does he - if the Iraqi/US forces are powerless to first of all arrest him and secondly disband his private militia then I fail to see why you bring this up as a sign of progress?