Bush Commutes Libby Sentence

jfuh · Jul 13, 2007

galenrox said:
Done and done, obviously my post was mistaken as I was not fully informed as to your position, although now I am curious what you referring to when you referred to treason.

When you oust an undercover agent of the intelligence community you're not just outing them alone, you're outing every single person this agent had ever come in contact with or was exposed to. Outing such a person's name is treason.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jul 13, 2007

jfuh said:
When you oust an undercover agent of the intelligence community you're not just outing them alone, you're outing every single person this agent had ever come in contact with or was exposed to. Outing such a person's name is treason.

The CIA outted her inadvertently to Castro back during the 90s, Wilson dropped her name in an attempt to gain credibility when pushing his back of lies regarding his trip of Niger, to the press, and Armitage leaked her name to Woodward before Libby even talked to Miller.

jfuh · Jul 13, 2007

galenrox said:
What Trajan just said. I do see merit in what you said and I've thought of that before, but yeah, doesn't make much difference once the name is already out there.

I don't give a damn about who did it. Anyone that did it should be held for treason. It was fitzgerald's job to figure it out but no, he hung Libby out to dry to feed to the public so that his millions of tax payer money didn't seem to go to waste.
Even if it was her husband that outed her or the CIA doing it themselves. Whomever outed her needs to be held accountable.
I'm not going to simply "move on" because Bush said so.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jul 13, 2007

jfuh said:
I don't give a damn about who did it. Anyone that did it should be held for treason. It was fitzgerald's job to figure it out but no, he hung Libby out to dry to feed to the public so that his millions of tax payer money didn't seem to go to waste.
Even if it was her husband that outed her or the CIA doing it themselves. Whomever outed her needs to be held accountable.
I'm not going to simply "move on" because Bush said so.

The CIA did it unintentionally by not properly securing files transferred to the Swiss embassy in Cuba, no crime was committed, if the CIA hadn't leaked the name then you're right Wilson should be prosecuted, however, the CIA leaked the name first so no crime was committed by him either.

Billo_Really · Jul 14, 2007

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong.

Maybe we should embrace this decision and build from it.

Maybe we should follow the Presidents' lead and...

COMMUTE’ BUSH’S TERM

CLEARLY, HAVING BUSH ‘SERVE’ OUT HIS TERM
FOR ANOTHER 18 MONTHS CONSTITUTES CRUEL
AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT ON THIS GREAT REPUBLIC!

Stinger · Jul 15, 2007

disneydude said:
That's exactly WHAT the obstruction of justice was about and what people who are apologizing for Bush/Libby are missing in their desperate spin.

How was justice obstructed? Armitage admitted he leaked her name to Novak, Libby had nothing to do with it and anything he said to anyone had nothing to do with any crime being committed.

Where was the obstuction you claim Libby knowingly engaged in and what is the evidence to support the charge?

Stinger · Jul 15, 2007

jfuh said:
I don't give a damn about who did it. Anyone that did it should be held for treason.

It wouldn't be treason.

It was fitzgerald's job to figure it out but no, he hung Libby out to dry to feed to the public so that his millions of tax payer money didn't seem to go to waste.

Libby didn't not commit a crime by telling Cooper that he also knew Plame worked at the CIA, Cooper already knew.

Even if it was her husband that outed her or the CIA doing it themselves. Whomever outed her needs to be held accountable.
I'm not going to simply "move on" because Bush said so.

She worked under her own name at the CIA and when Novak contacted the CIA they did not tell him she was covert or covered under the act.

It was a non-issue from the get-go. If you really want to go after someone go after the Wilsons.

mpg · Jul 15, 2007

jfuh said:
When you oust an undercover agent of the intelligence community you're not just outing them alone, you're outing every single person this agent had ever come in contact with or was exposed to. Outing such a person's name is treason.

Treason is when you aid the enemy during a war. This doesn't resemble treason.

jfuh · Jul 16, 2007

mpg said:
Treason is when you aid the enemy during a war. This doesn't resemble treason.

Who do you think would benefit from our covert agents being outed?

mpg · Jul 16, 2007

jfuh said:
Who do you think would benefit from our covert agents being outed?

Are you saying that Al Qaida and/or the Taliban benefited?

Trajan Octavian Titus · Jul 16, 2007

jfuh said:
Who do you think would benefit from our covert agents being outed?

Well Joe Wilson got his story published and the MSM got another faux scandal didn't they?

dixon76710 · Jul 16, 2007

Stinger said:
It wouldn't be treason.
She worked under her own name at the CIA and when Novak contacted the CIA they did not tell him she was covert or covered under the act.
It was a non-issue from the get-go. If you really want to go after someone go after the Wilsons.

Novak was just on Fox news dicussing this. Colmes is ranting "she was covert", Novak says he simply called the CIA and they confirmed for him that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA. They knew he was writing a story and said nothing about doing so.......and then its the CIA who requests the Justice department to conduct an investigation????

jfuh · Jul 16, 2007

mpg said:
Are you saying that Al Qaida and/or the Taliban benefited?

Frack, I don't know who the hell benefited from it. But what I do know is that a covert agent, with established contacts and partners in the field being outed. That's very likly to have cost several years of placing agents into key positions, operations if any that she participated in.
What was her job? Counter nuclear proliferation. So yes, very likely AQ or some other wack job that's desperate in getting nukes may have benefited - ie Iran.
So yes, whomever outed her commited treason against this country.
Or has it become now today that outing covert agents is no longer covert?

Stinger · Jul 16, 2007

dixon76710 said:
Novak was just on Fox news dicussing this. Colmes is ranting "she was covert", Novak says he simply called the CIA and they confirmed for him that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA. They knew he was writing a story and said nothing about doing so.......and then its the CIA who requests the Justice department to conduct an investigation????

I'll confirm it, saw it to. The CIA without hesitation confirmed she was a CIA employee, Tenet was told Novak was going to write the story, he could have stopped it, he didn't lift a finger.