Bush Commutes Libby Sentence - Page 18

Hatuey · 07-05-07, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Don't you know that those standards come at the discretion of the President and that the Presidents capacity to pardon is absolute?

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Section 1-2.113 Standards for Considering Commutation Petitions

A commutation of sentence reduces the period of incarceration; it does not imply forgiveness of the underlying offense, but simply remits a portion of the punishment. It has no effect upon the underlying conviction and does not necessarily reflect upon the fairness of the sentence originally imposed. Requests for commutation generally are not accepted unless and until a person has begun serving that sentence. Nor are commutation requests generally accepted from persons who are presently challenging their convictions or sentences through appeal or other court proceeding.

United States Attorney's Manual Standards for Consideration of Clemency Petitions

How can his sentence be commuted if he hasn't even served time? What can it be commuted to?

disneydude · 07-05-07, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

I have to hand it to you Disney, you have dodged answering the salient question for months now. And continue to lie in the process.

Where did I say
"the Bush regime orchestrated the exposure of Plame"?

They exposed the lies Wilson told, reporters exposed Plame, but then her employment at the CIA was not a secret.

So when are you going to detail the obstruction of justice and the evidence that proved Libby purposely and knowingly lied for the purpose of obstructing justice and what was the obstruction since Fitzgerald already knew how Plame's name got into the Novak column in the first place.

It is incredibly ironic to hear the Dodger himself accuse others of dodging questions that have been answered repeatedly. The evidence is perfectly clear to those who take the time to actually follow along.....the jury saw it....but then again....you just dismiss the jury as being "too stupid" to see the world through your distorted lens.

As far as you yourself admitting that the Bush Regime orchestrated the outing of Plame.....read your own posts....you have said repeatedly that it was the Administrations patriotic duty to engage in the misconduct here.

shuamort · 07-05-07, 10:26 AM

Bush Filed a Motion Last Year to Uphold the 33-Month Sentence of Victor Rita, a 24-Year Marine Corps Vet Convicted on Same Crimes as Libby

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Tony Snow said that President Bush decided to commute Scooter Libby’s two and a half year-prison sentence for perjury and obstruction of justice, because it was “excessive.”

Yet last year the Bush Administration filed a “friend-of-the-court brief” with the Supreme Court, in an attempt to uphold a lower court’s ruling that a 33-month prison sentence for Victor Rita, who was convicted of the same exact charges, perjury and obstruction of justice, was “reasonable.”

disneydude · 07-05-07, 10:39 AM

Wouldn't it be the height of justice to see King George charged with obstruction of justice for misuse of the pardon process? I realize that it would never happen....but isn't using the pardon process to reward loyalty to protect one's own illegal activities from being exposed the ultimate obstruction of justice.

What a great day for justice in America if the evening news showed King George and Cheney being hauled out of the whitehouse in handcuffs........too funny......photoshop anyone?

missypea · 07-05-07, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

Bush Filed a Motion Last Year to Uphold the 33-Month Sentence of Victor Rita, a 24-Year Marine Corps Vet Convicted on Same Crimes as Libby

The New York times also wrote about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/wa...3aa&ei=5087%0A

I'd laugh because of the irony of it if it weren't so awful.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

How can his sentence be commuted if he hasn't even served time? What can it be commuted to?

A) Those guidelines are at the discretion of the President.

B) It was commuted to the fine and probation, but by all rights the President could have granted a full pardon.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

Wouldn't it be the height of justice to see King George charged with obstruction of justice for misuse of the pardon process?

You mean like pardoning ones brother or pardoning FALN terrorists who are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder?

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

The New York times also wrote about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/wa...3aa&ei=5087%0A

I'd laugh because of the irony of it if it weren't so awful.

Gee why do none of these articles mention the underlying crime in the Rita case? Anyone know what it was? Actually it doesn't really matter just so long as there was one because there wasn't in the Libby case.

shuamort · 07-05-07, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Gee why do none of these articles mention the underlying crime in the Rita case? Anyone know what it was? Actually it doesn't really matter just so long as there was one because there wasn't in the Libby case.

Sure there was. Even Bush thinks there is one. He didn't say that Libby was wrongly convicted of a crime he didn't commit. He just claimed that the penalty was too harsh.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

Sure there was. Even Bush thinks there is one. He didn't say that Libby was wrongly convicted of a crime he didn't commit. He just claimed that the penalty was too harsh.

I said the "underlying crime" IE not the perjury itself, and I don't really care what Bush said, the jury was stacked, the Prosecutor ran a dishonest argument and knew who leaked the name from the very begining, and Libby was railroaded in a political witchunt.