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Gay Inmates Granted Conjugal Visits

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This story should make our Gay bashing Forum members INSANE! How dare Gays in prison be treated as people with relationships and feelings...just like heterosexuals...

My feeling is "so what"! Gays deserve the same visitation rights as anyone else.

Gay Inmates Granted Conjugal Visits

By JESSE McKINLEY
Published: June 3, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO, June 1 — Gay and lesbian prisoners in California will be allowed overnight visits with their partners under a new prison policy, believed to be the first time a state has allowed same-sex conjugal stays.

The policy comes more than two years after a 2003 California law provided equal rights for registered domestic partners in California, including those of the same sex and non-married heterosexuals. Gay and civil rights groups had threatened to sue to permit the conjugal visits in prisons, which they say have been slow to enact changes promised by the law.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/03visit.html?hp
 
This story should make our Gay bashing Forum members INSANE! How dare Gays in prison be treated as people with relationships and feelings...just like heterosexuals...

My feeling is "so what"! Gays deserve the same visitation rights as anyone else.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/03visit.html?hp

Setting aside your strawman for a moment, this is good news.

This one quote was a bit amusing:

Shannon Minter, the legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights in San Francisco, called the policy change a “great leap forward” but said gay and lesbian inmates were often still the target of discrimination and violence.

“There are certain social arenas that have been insulated from social changes going on in broader society, and jails and prisons is one of those areas,” Mr. Minter said.

Wait...you mean the kind of thugs and morons who end up in prison aren't generally as enlightened as the population as a whole? Unbelievable.:lol:
 
Hey I am all for it..........If striaghts can have visits, why not gays......
 
Then, for once, you and I agree on something Navy Pride. Very LIBERAL of you, I must say!


I don't know liberal but its the right thing.....If you could take off your blinders for a minute you might see that.......probably not though.....
 
I don't know liberal but its the right thing.....If you could take off your blinders for a minute you might see that.......probably not though.....

Hee Hee-I thought gays had the advantage of not needing conjugal visits to "get some" in prison while straights are discriminated against:mrgreen:
 
Are they being allowed to call it a conjugal visit or is it a "civil-visit" for homosexuals?
 
This story should make our Gay bashing Forum members INSANE! How dare Gays in prison be treated as people with relationships and feelings...just like heterosexuals...

My feeling is "so what"! Gays deserve the same visitation rights as anyone else.


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/03visit.html?hp

I do not think inmates should have conjugal visits at all,regardless if they are straight or gay.Prison inmates are scum regardless if they are straight or gay.They are in prison ,the only thing prison inmates deserve is bread, water and hard labor.This conjugal visit crap was probably the first thing that led to these scum getting getting additional things like weights,no mandatory hard labor,libraries,television, and so on.
 
I do not think inmates should have conjugal visits at all,regardless if they are straight or gay.Prison inmates are scum regardless if they are straight or gay.They are in prison ,the only thing prison inmates deserve is bread, water and hard labor.This conjugal visit crap was probably the first thing that led to these scum getting getting additional things like weights,no mandatory hard labor,libraries,television, and so on.

I kind of agree.
Not with the "bread and water and hard labor" part, but with the conjugal visit part.
Having sex is not a human right, not a civil right.
Even some people who aren't convicted criminals have a hard time getting it.
So why should convicted criminals (convicted of serious crimes; conjugal visits aren't an option for guys doing two weeks or a month in county for possession of marijuana; they're for guys doing long sentences in federal or state prison)?

IMO, it only gives prisoners an opportunity to get things (drugs, possibly weapons) smuggled in from the outside. It also gives them an opportunity to impregnate women (as Ted Bundy did from prison) with children they are unable to help support.

I've long thought it was ridiculous that gay marriage was not legal, but that mass murderers and rapists had the opportunity to marry from prison.
Society holds this to be one of their "rights", a "right" so sacred and inviolate that we feel we cannot take it away, no matter how heinous their crimes.
To prevent them from marrying from prison would, society supposes, be an infringement on their most fundamental rights.
Some "sanctity". :roll:

If heterosexuals are allowed conjugal visits, then of course gays should be allowed conjugal visits too.
But I don't think heteros or gays should be allowed them, really.
They get to see their spouses plenty, under controlled conditions.
Nobody's saying they shouldn't be allowed visits with their families.
I just don't see why they really need to be permitted to spend the night with their spouse in a conjugal visit trailer, under less-than-well-supervised conditions.
To me, getting laid ought to be one of the rights you lose for a while, when you commit a serious crime.
I don't consider it a fundamental right.
Perhaps that would serve as a deterrent to crime, and certainly abolishing "conjugal visits" for all prisoners would save the tax-payers some money, and possibly be in the interest of the public safety and the safety of guards and other inmates (because prisoners will have less opportunity to get dangerous items smuggled in).
I don't really think the opportunity to marry while in prison ought to be considered a fundamental, sacred "right", either.
It's a privilege that the government bestows and can take away, as evidenced by the fact that this opportunity is denied to homosexuals.
If gays are forbidden to marry, then why should serial killers like Bundy be allowed to?
 
Conjugal visits are simply a pragmatic solution to deal with prison populations. Having a bunch of violent men together is problematic enough, having them also be sexually frustrated is even worse. Furthermore, the spouse of the inmate also gets some sex as well.

Persecuting gay people in prison would kind of weird. It would be a tad ironic to laundry room rape somebody for being gay. Although, I suppose platonic violence might be more common.
 
I do not think inmates should have conjugal visits at all,regardless if they are straight or gay.Prison inmates are scum regardless if they are straight or gay.They are in prison ,the only thing prison inmates deserve is bread, water and hard labor.This conjugal visit crap was probably the first thing that led to these scum getting getting additional things like weights,no mandatory hard labor,libraries,television, and so on.

If they're getting laid consensually, they're probably a lot less likely to rape each other.

And you're statement that "prison inmates are scum" is a pretty broad generalization. Some of them certainly are, but everyone makes mistakes. A lot of people in prison aren't that different from the people outside.
 
I do not think inmates should have conjugal visits at all,regardless if they are straight or gay.Prison inmates are scum regardless if they are straight or gay.They are in prison ,the only thing prison inmates deserve is bread, water and hard labor.This conjugal visit crap was probably the first thing that led to these scum getting getting additional things like weights,no mandatory hard labor,libraries,television, and so on.

I can't believe this, but I pretty much agree with jamesrage, here. IMO, prison should be a punishing, horrible experience in order to act as a deterrent to further crimes. Basics should be provided for, food, clothing, safety, shelter, but perks.? None at all.
 
I can't believe this, but I pretty much agree with jamesrage, here. IMO, prison should be a punishing, horrible experience in order to act as a deterrent to further crimes. Basics should be provided for, food, clothing, safety, shelter, but perks.? None at all.

Do you really think that prison will deter further crimes if it's pure hell? It'll more than likely just further embitter the criminal, and it will increase his reliance on prison gangs to survive. This will ENCOURAGE more crime once he's released.

Have either of you guys ever seen a prison? They aren't resorts. While I agree that they don't necessarily need free cable, a lot of the "perks" serve a purpose. Libraries serve the purpose of education/rehabilitation, conjugal visits serve the purpose of rape prevention, etc.
 
Do you really think that prison will deter further crimes if it's pure hell? It'll more than likely just further embitter the criminal, and it will increase his reliance on prison gangs to survive. This will ENCOURAGE more crime once he's released.

To some extent. People avoid doing things that yield horrible consequences. That's a major reason why people lie...to avoid distasteful responses. Deterrence can be a great motivator to not do a behavior.

Have either of you guys ever seen a prison? They aren't resorts. While I agree that they don't necessarily need free cable, a lot of the "perks" serve a purpose. Libraries serve the purpose of education/rehabilitation, conjugal visits serve the purpose of rape prevention, etc.

I'm not talking about educational/rehabilitation issues. I agree with allowing these as they can encourage some to become productive members of society when they are released. Conjugal visits? Nah. Rape is about aggression and power. Conjugal visits are about sex and, perhaps, love. Completely different issues.
 
To some extent. People avoid doing things that yield horrible consequences. That's a major reason why people lie...to avoid distasteful responses. Deterrence can be a great motivator to not do a behavior.

That works both ways though. If someone is in prison and wants to avoid the horrible consequences of trying to survive alone, they're more likely to join a prison gang. This will make it almost impossible for him to break free of the cycle of crime once released, as most of these gangs expect their members "on the outside" to repay their debt to the gang.

CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm not talking about educational/rehabilitation issues. I agree with allowing these as they can encourage some to become productive members of society when they are released. Conjugal visits? Nah. Rape is about aggression and power. Conjugal visits are about sex and, perhaps, love. Completely different issues.

Obviously rape is at least partly about sex in a lot of cases (especially in prison, where there are no females), since most of the prisoners who commit rape had probably never raped anyone outside of prison.
 
If they're getting laid consensually, they're probably a lot less likely to rape each other.

IF they were doing hard labor 20 hours a day they would hardly have any time at all to rape each other.If they are desperate to relive some tension they can draw a stick figure with boobs and or use their imagination and jerk off.

A lot of people in prison aren't that different from the people outside.

That is probably true due to the bleeding hearts allowing inmates to have television,libraries,conjugal visits,free lawyers,video games,free hormones in some states so they can pretend to be members of the opposite sex,free weights,three meals a day,free educations and many other luxuries that most people have to pay for and that most people in third world countries only dream of.
 
Although there are, in my opinion, some perks in jail that need not be there, I think conjugal visits is not one that should be chastised. There are a lot of people in prison who or either innocent, or simply made a mistake. The problem is, there really is no good line to draw to separate "bad" criminals from "not so bad" criminals, i.e. criminals who go on a premeditated mass murder, to criminals who may have killed someone by accident.

I personally think being allowed to workout, allowed conjugal visits, allowed to read books, ultimately would make the person in prison better. Literature many times opens up people's minds and changes their perspectives on life for the better, while conjugal visits and working out helps to take away a lot of stress that can arise in prison, ultimately making the inmate less likely to commit violence. These are just my opinions, and I have no study to back them up, but I wouldn't doubt if it was true.
 
That works both ways though. If someone is in prison and wants to avoid the horrible consequences of trying to survive alone, they're more likely to join a prison gang. This will make it almost impossible for him to break free of the cycle of crime once released, as most of these gangs expect their members "on the outside" to repay their debt to the gang.

Which is why I'm all for more security to prevent crimes in prison.

Obviously rape is at least partly about sex in a lot of cases (especially in prison, where there are no females), since most of the prisoners who commit rape had probably never raped anyone outside of prison.

No. Rape is about aggression and power. Not all inmates who are heterosexual and do not receive conjugal visits, rape. Rape happens when the strong prey on the weak or unprotected. It is about power. Sex is just the tool to obtain this.
 
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