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'Miracle baby' homecoming delayed

Jerry said:
Is this enough to push "viability" back to 22 weeks?
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Obviously.
Sure, it took a fair amout of technology to keep that baby alive, but that's part of what 'viability' means.
 
Goobieman said:
Really. Then what's your stance, and how does that stance disqualify you from being labeled an abortion nuit?


Thats what all the abortion nuts say.
They cant even admit it to themselves that they are abortions nuts -- that's pretty sad, don't you think?


Well, given that your position is that it shoudl be OK to take certain human lives at will, obviosuly an Anti-American idea, clearly this covers you, too. :mrgreen:


When have I ever claimed that even remotely resemble such a thing?
Whoops -- I haven't.
Now you get to chew on that foot you just stuck in your mouth. Enjoy, sport. :lol:


Really?
Dead dogs can be "people".
When did the SCotUS decide that? :mrgreen:
And how referring to a SCotUS decision anything other than an appeal to authority -- that is, how does the fact that the court said it make it a sound position?


Well, if you wont admit that you did indeed just argue that "personhood" rather than "human life" is what's relevant -- just as I said you would, and just as you indeed did - then clearly you arent willing and/or capable of having an intellectually honest discussion.


And yet, you just did. :mrgreen:


Lesse:
Of the relevant definitions, defintion you supplied, we have:
1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
Living human - a human life.

4. The living body of a human:
Living human - a human life

3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
Isn't this rather broad and subjective subjective, based on any number of things?

What was your point again?


Really. Describe that difference, given that two of them -clearly- suppot my contention, and that the only one that supports yours is, at best, subjective (just like I said it was).


Whatever allows you abortion nuts need to sleep at night, I guess...
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There is absolutely nothing worth responding to in this post as it has already been proven that if you feed a rabid mongrel half-intellect, all that happens is you get his mouth foam on your hand. What is clear is that you pick and choose portions of a definition to suit your needs, your position is bankrupt in the logic department and you have a blatant fact phobia. Can't help you with any of this and besides, I don't want to be responsible for your aneurysm resulting from you having to face reality for the first time in your life. This, like any other discussion that has ever been had with you, is going to result in me laughing pointedly at you and you throwing a little priss fit over it. I think we can do both ourselves a favor and just avoid the situation altogether. Besides, there are much more engaging people here that can offer meaningful discussions.

Hey, here is an idea...why don't you post another one of your "epiphany's" in the polls forum and try to teach someone a "lesson". :rofl
 
jallman said:
There is absolutely nothing worth responding to in this post... (etc)
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I was SO wrong about the lack of intellectual dishonesty on your part.
Cleadly, its a raging case of pure intellectual cowardice.
 
Goobieman said:
I was SO wrong about the lack of intellectual dishonesty on your part.
Cleadly, its a raging case of pure intellectual corawrdice.
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You can tell yourself whatever you need to, but it doesn't make one iota of difference. At the end of the day, despite all your jousting with windmills, abortion will remain safe, legal, and available to women who CHOOSE to have one. Despite all your railing, and renaming pro choice "abortion nuts" (and that was the point at which I recognized you were going rabid again and decided it was not worth playing into another of your mouth foaming rages), and avoiding of facts, the one truth at that leaves the smile on my face is that we have a system in place that takes into account reasoned logic rather than emotional opining and hysterical caterwauling.

When I go to bed tonight, I go to bed knowing I live in a country that respects the rights of women, their privacy, and their bodily sovereignty. You can scream and cry and rename fetuses as babies and use your rhetoric to its best effect...but your best hasn't been enough for over 34 years now. You are no closer to shutting down legal abortion today than you were at the time of Blackmun's decision and so, I get to walk away from this knowing that I am still on top. Now here, take a napkin and wipe the froth off your lips...come back at me when you have something substantial to say. :lol:
 
jallman said:
You can tell yourself whatever you need to, but it doesn't make one iota of difference.
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I'm sorry -- I thought you were done with this conversation.

If not -- How about you stop blatering and repsod to my post?

If you have the courage to show off more of your "reasoned logic", that is.
 
Goobieman said:
I'm sorry -- I thought you were done with this conversation.

If not -- How about you stop blatering and repsod to my post?

If you have the courage to show off more of your "reasoned logic", that is.
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Why, when it's so much more fun to poke at you and see how far you can spiral into this little fit...I mean, something has to amuse me in all this. Your ability to discuss the issue certainly isn't engaging. Might as well enjoy the freakshow until a mod comes and rescues you. :lol: Hell, you have already regressed to losing the ability to spell. :lamo

Dance, monkey, dance. :monkey
 
jallman said:
Why, when it's so much more fun to poke at you and see how far you can spiral into this little fit
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I see.

Another abortion nut can't handle having his religion questioned, and so instead of trying to defend his position, he tries to close down the thread.

Oh well. If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
 
Goobieman said:
I see.

Another abortion nut can't handle having his religion questioned, and so instead of trying to defend hi sposition, he tries to close down the thread.

Oh well. If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
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My religion questioned? When did you ever question my religion? I think you have totally lost it.

And believe me when I say this...you are certainly nothing to fear intellectually. I can find a number of your threads where your huge epiphanies were nothing more than a statement of what everyone else knew to be the obvious.

When you find the honesty to take into account the entire definition that you asked for and when you show the integrity to not vilify the opposition by calling them names like "abortion nut", then by all means, I would be willing to discuss the issue with you. But as long as you are throwing your infantile fit and slinging poo like a monkey, I will continue to treat you as one.

Now...get to dancing :monkey YEEE-HAW!!!
 
jallman said:
My religion questioned? When did you ever question my religion? I think you have totally lost it.
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If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
 
Goobieman said:
If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
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Again, if and when you stop slinging poo like a monkey, I will discuss the issue with you as if you weren't one.

Dance dance dance. :monkey

:lamo
 
jallman said:
Again, if and when you stop slinging poo like a monkey, I will discuss the issue with you as if you weren't one.

Dance dance dance. :monkey

:lamo
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If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
 
Goobieman said:
If and when you find the courage and the competence to address my post, let me know.
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Again, if and when you stop slinging poo like a monkey, I will discuss the issue with you as if you weren't one.

Giddy-up :monkey
 
jallman said:
Again, if and when you stop slinging poo like a monkey, I will discuss the issue with you as if you weren't one.

Giddy-up :monkey
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Clearly, you know you have neither courage nor the competence to address my post, as iluustrated above, even after numerous attempts to get you to show that you might.

Any further time spent here with you is wasted. Please, feel free to claim voctory here, even though even the most intellectually challenged observer (save yourself) will note that the conversation stopped when YOU decided you would refuse to further defend your position.

Buh-bye.

Anyone else care to pick up where Jallman ran out of abortion-nut gospel teachings?
 
Goobieman said:
Clearly, you know you have neither courage nor the competence to address my post, as iluustrated above, even after numerous attempts to get you to show that you might.

Any further time spent here with you is wasted. Please, feel free to claim voctory here, even though even the most intellectually challenged observer (save yourself) will note that the conversation stopped when YOU decided you would refuse to further defend your position.

Buh-bye.

Anyone else care to pick up where Jallman ran out of abortion-nut gospel teachings?
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Feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to. However, I made 2 simple requests. 1) Don't be so dishonest as to call pro-choice advocates abortion nuts and 2) Recognize the entirety of the definition you asked for. You couldn't do that and instead decided to show the manners of a monkey. I feel no need to defend my position to a vilifying, lying, rabid monkey.

Anyone else care to pick up where the monkey ran out of poo to throw?
 
So does any other human cell. Alright!!! Let's save every skin and cheek cell from death
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No. My skin cell does not have all the characteristics of a living being.

BTW..... I am making this statement from a "natural" stance.

Any other human cell is genetically human too. Your point?
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Any other cell is "human" but not a living being. A fertilized egg is a living being.

No, it was not. It was not an individual entity. It had no cognition, it had no individuality. It was definitely genetic human material in the shape of a human baby, but it had none of the hallmark qualities that make it "human".
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Of course it is an "individual entity". It is NOT a part of the mother because it is genetically different from the mother. (remember it had 1/2 the dna from the mother and 1/2 the dna from the father)

It is a genetically human entity that is uniquely different from the mother that shows the characteristics of life.

A tadpole does not have the qualities that make it a frog but they are the same entity.

You might need to prove that to me. I think that your assertion of "right up to the day of birth" might be just a bit hysterical and untrue.
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It is called partial birth abortion.

You know..... You take a viable baby, deliver it and just before it's head is out of the mother it is killed......

I would say that would fit into the idea of "right up to the day of birth".... Of course they kill it just before the actual birth.
 
jallman said:
Can you show me specifically where in the constitution you have a right to get married? Didn't think so, but we aren't doing away with that right, now are we? :doh
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To suggest that something is "constitutional" means that it is protected by The US Constitution.

Abortion is NOT protected by The US Constitution because it is not in there.

Marriage is NOT something that is protected by The US Constitution either. This is why individual states deal with marriage and this is why gay marriage can be banned by the states.
 
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