North Korea: Increased U.S. Pressure Would Be 'Act of War'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219620,00.html

so, how long do we let this little tin pan dictator threaten us, and its neighbors?

how many resolutions do we allow the UN to make this time? 5, 8, 10, 12?

over how many years? 2 , 5, 8 ?

just curious to see how consistent some are. clearly, many didnt think 12 years and 17 resolutions was enough for Iraq. I just wonder how many those same folks think we should give NK.

keep in mind, you ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING IN THE MEDIA. just like with Iraq.
for all you know, Bush could be intentionally misleading us into war with NK.

I want to see how some of you would act BEFORE HAND without the benefit of hindsight.

The good news is that if he's going to hit us, we'll know ahead of time, and we have a decent shot of shooting it down. His ICBM is unreliable and has a long lead time before launch; shoudl we see one furling up on the pad, I see no alternative but to hit it before it can launch.

The bad news is the same does not hold true if he decides to hit Japan or SK.

Goobieman said:

The good news is that if he's going to hit us, we'll know ahead of time, and we have a decent shot of shooting it down. His ICBM is unreliable and has a long lead time before launch; shoudl we see one furling up on the pad, I see no alternative but to hit it before it can launch.

The bad news is the same does not hold true if he decides to hit Japan or SK.

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IMO its time for Japan, SK, and their neighbors and allies to step up and take care of this problem.

im sick of the planet waiting on America to do it so that our own citizens can whine and moan and condemn our actions.

North Korea Threatens War Against U.S.

North Korea has said that sanctions would be considered as an act of war, and claims that it is ready to take a "[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]series of physical corresponding measures", if the US keeps putting pressure on them.

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Kim Jong Il, Chavez and that Iranian guy act like children. They are constantly doing immature stuff to try to get some attention, validation from the world. The biggest player in the world, the US, has to take most of their ire. Because it is really the US who decides who is valid, and who is not.

We have what Kim Jong Il wants, and I’ll give the Bush administration credit for this, they are well aware of that. And they aren’t going to give it to him, or Iran or anyone else until they calm down, straighten up and fly right. The simple fact of the matter if Kim Jong Il goes to war, he won’t ever get what we wants. We have just have to make sure we keep that carrot visible and out of reach. I think in the interm that is what we are doing.

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IMO, i think that NK is acting rather like a cornered animal, it's economy is unable to withstand the enormous costs it's belligerency has compelled it to have a massive military force on permanent standby, this coupled with the fact that it has to pay China for the most up to date armaments it can possibly afford.

I would guess that technically NK is bankrupt, hence it's insistence that it's exports be maintained.

The 2 main crops it manages to sell, primarily to Japan are luxury goods namely Clams and Mushrooms.

In effect what they are saying to Japan's restricing imports of NK goods / exports is "you continue buying or we will attack you", the only time I have within my lifetime seen such proclamation by one Gov. to another Gov. were the massive exports from those countries taken over by the Soviet Union after WW11 and the subsequent enforcement of those nations to purchasing Soviet goods.

I would guess that NKs ultimatum would be similar to the US Gov. saying to foreign nations that they must purchase US Bonds otherwise we, the US would wage war on them.

oops, how silly of me, is that not what our Gov. are in effect doing by having such a huge imbalance of payments, without of course actually proposing to wage war, at least not by actual physical military action, no, the US prefers they buy Bonds while $value is high and later redeems the cash when $value drops.

That aside Nks actions are rapidly drawing some kind of engagement ever closer.

I wonder how many folk who post here watched a Movie called "The Mouse that roared" if they cast their mind back to the plot of that Movie they may well see parallels with what is happening between US and NK.

no surprise Im not getting much of a response.

its tough to say what you would do without the benefit of hindsight.

First of all a war with North Korea would be idiotic. Any kind of action against North Korea would result in thousands of south koreans and american soldiers dying from the many weapons in North Korea's arsenal.

I don't see how North Korea can possibly effect the U.S. except the troops currently stationed in South Korea in range of North Korean weapons.

Basically if you voice for an attack on North Korea your saying "screw you South Korea".

and said impending sanctions would be considered an act of war

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reason enough to attack right this moment; it surprises me how many Pro-Iraq war supporters who say the war is to protect American lives don't and won't get riled up more about this. It's time for sacrifice people, not posting or watching your tv while you just bought another "Support our Troops" car magnet. Support our Troops doesn't equate just to Iraq--we have troops in Korea also. Support them--by letting them loose and getting the job done before the families they protect back home get nuked or a nuke is smuggled into Iraq and detonated on our troops--get your arse off that couch.

The presence of Nukes in North Korea doesn't equate to the Koreans Nuking LA. We aren't more at risk of a Nuclear Attack than we were 6 months ago. Though aggressivness could increase the risk, truthfully I don't think North Korea is in any hurry to Nuke LA when they know the retaliatory strike would completely destroy North Korea, and possibly even parts of South Korea and China.

That leaves us with a conventional war and I assure you, Bush is not stupid enough to take on North Korea unless he has the Chinese in his back pocket. Our military record in Asia hasn't been stellar and there is very little reason to believe that things are any different now.

ProudAmerican said:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219620,00.html

so, how long do we let this little tin pan dictator threaten us, and its neighbors?

how many resolutions do we allow the UN to make this time? 5, 8, 10, 12?

over how many years? 2 , 5, 8 ?

just curious to see how consistent some are. clearly, many didnt think 12 years and 17 resolutions was enough for Iraq. I just wonder how many those same folks think we should give NK.

keep in mind, you ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING IN THE MEDIA. just like with Iraq.
for all you know, Bush could be intentionally misleading us into war with NK.

I want to see how some of you would act BEFORE HAND without the benefit of hindsight.

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We aren't the world police and shouldn't try to act like it. Military action by us at this point would be silly. The only military option that would actually work would be preemptive tactical nuclear strike and that is not worth the effort and drastic negative impact it would have on us and the world. I don't see conventional warfare resolving this. So diplomacy it is; make China step up to the fence and shake up their neighbor.

ProudAmerican said:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219620,00.html

so, how long do we let this little tin pan dictator threaten us, and its neighbors?

how many resolutions do we allow the UN to make this time? 5, 8, 10, 12?

over how many years? 2 , 5, 8 ?

just curious to see how consistent some are. clearly, many didnt think 12 years and 17 resolutions was enough for Iraq. I just wonder how many those same folks think we should give NK.

keep in mind, you ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING IN THE MEDIA. just like with Iraq.
for all you know, Bush could be intentionally misleading us into war with NK.

I want to see how some of you would act BEFORE HAND without the benefit of hindsight.

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The far left had better get their heads out of their *** and realize this is serious....

Personally, I'm loving every moment of this run-up to war with NK... I was stationed in the 2nd Infantry Division on the DMZ my twentieth year in the army just before retirement. Since the 1950’s we’ve had 37,000 US troops stationed in SK and during that same period the heating and feeding of the north welfare state has been our job and I don’t know which costs more.

I always loved to go to Seoul to see the college students protesting the American presence in SK … ah, nothing like teargas and bus detours for people not willing to fight the enemy themselves. Guess these little college students have a high pucker factor about now and it gets tighter every time a reporter asks Prez Bush … how about One on One talks and he answers its not only our problem… I love it! Every male in Korea is required to serve two years between 2nd and 3rd college and then remain on inactive reserve to age 55… I love it!

Today in a press conference Prez Bush said words so clear that the idiot will comply… and if the other 5 members don’t help to cause him to comply we will go to war. Did anyone miss that? I bet the idiot of the north with his blackmail for heating oil and food didn’t! I love it! The little kimche squatter is being put in his place and any thing he does will be justification for the end of his free lunch. I love it!

The 2nd ID exists on the DMZ to die as a peacemeal unit and anger our nation if the idiots come across the border and if these warriors go down then there will be only one Korea within hours.... I love it! Maybe it will make Iran reconsider their position... I love it!

Navy Seal Patriot said:

reason enough to attack right this moment; it surprises me how many Pro-Iraq war supporters who say the war is to protect American lives don't and won't get riled up more about this. It's time for sacrifice people, not posting or watching your tv while you just bought another "Support our Troops" car magnet. Support our Troops doesn't equate just to Iraq--we have troops in Korea also. Support them--by letting them loose and getting the job done before the families they protect back home get nuked or a nuke is smuggled into Iraq and detonated on our troops--get your arse off that couch.

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whats even more surprising is the leftists that claim we were "misled" into war with Iraq want to go head strong into NK with the EXACT SAME information from the media they had on Iraq before the war.

of course, we all know the leftists will just wait untill after a fight with NK and then use it as a political tool as they use hindsight to nitpick the presidents actions.

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(That leaves us with a conventional war and I assure you, Bush is not stupid enough to take on North Korea unless he has the Chinese in his back pocket.)

One normally keeps ones cash in one's back pocket.
Unfortunately, we that is the US have very little cash, we have given our wealth to China in return for mainly rubbish that American firms manufacture in China and then IMPORT into the US.
I think I am correct in stating that our August imbalance of payments was $69.9 BILLION.
So your analogy is not quite correct.
To be accurate, you should have said that China has the USA in it's back pocket.

This is very probably President Bush's dilemma with regard to NK which is in itself a client state of China.

So to perfectly honest, can we afford to upset China?

Having said that, I believe if the UN Security Council members Russia and China veto the US resolution on sanctions, we, that is the US should along with other members of security council who are in agreement with us, naturally (the French will demur), unilaterally and arbitrarily press our sanctions on this regime, even to the point of searching all ships to and from NK.

If NK wish to declare war then so be it, we cannot simply issue the kind of rhetoric we have been doing unless we are prepared to back it up with strong action.
If the Russian and Chinese object, we say tough, get your dog in line or we continue.
This kind of action will send an extremely clear message to Iran, who I think would rapidly change their tune.

ProudAmerican said:

IMO its time for Japan, SK, and their neighbors and allies to step up and take care of this problem.

im sick of the planet waiting on America to do it so that our own citizens can whine and moan and condemn our actions.

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Right the ph*** on PA. Right the hell on!

:applaud

But WILL they do what needs to be done?

If North Korea even so much as sneezes in our direction I would support bombing them back into the stone age.

bismitch said:

First of all a war with North Korea would be idiotic. Any kind of action against North Korea would result in thousands of south koreans and american soldiers dying from the many weapons in North Korea's arsenal.

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Which is why we need to do a preemptive nuclear first strike with tactical nuclear weapons and eliminate the threat once and for all.

I don't see how North Korea can possibly effect the U.S. except the troops currently stationed in South Korea in range of North Korean weapons.

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Their rockets are well within range of Hawai.

Justagurl said:

The presence of Nukes in North Korea doesn't equate to the Koreans Nuking LA. We aren't more at risk of a Nuclear Attack than we were 6 months ago. Though aggressivness could increase the risk, truthfully I don't think North Korea is in any hurry to Nuke LA when they know the retaliatory strike would completely destroy North Korea, and possibly even parts of South Korea and China.

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A) Their rockets are well within range of Hawai, Japan, and South Korea.

B) A nuclear strike isn't the primary concern it is nuclear proliferation North Korea has already shown they are more than willing to sell their military technology to the highest bidder and even have shown their willingness to share their nuclear technology as was uncovered when Khadafi disarmed Libya and came clean with the U.S.. A nuclear armed North Korea is not acceptable.

Hobbes said:

We aren't the world police and shouldn't try to act like it. Military action by us at this point would be silly. The only military option that would actually work would be preemptive tactical nuclear strike and that is not worth the effort and drastic negative impact it would have on us and the world. I don't see conventional warfare resolving this. So diplomacy it is; make China step up to the fence and shake up their neighbor.

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Ya because diplomacy has worked so well up to this point. :roll:

TOT
As I have repeatedly tried to inform you.
Why don't you listen to reason
If we Bomb NK without first declaring war on them or they declaring war on us, we would be doing precisely what the Nips did to us in December 1942 and would face the same problems that the Nips had after the war was won.

NK borders SK, Russia and China, NK is a small country so that if we bombed them anywhere on or above their territory there would be an inevitable release of radiation that could reach any of those bordering countries.
Now we already know that NK is a client state of China, what you probably do not know is that during the Korean war in the 1950s Russia loaned NK jet aircraft and personnel to both fly them as well as other personnel to assist them in their war against the UN troops. NK and Russia have maintained those links, Russia actually supports NK.

It is a complete fallacy to state that Russia is now a Democratic country, it is not, it is in fact run by criminals who murder opposition figures when they become too intrusive and report on these criminals actions.

I can assure you that China and Russia have ICBMs that are nuclear tipped and are capable of reaching anywhere within the Continental USA.

I think that YOU actually want the USA to be bombed, though why YOU would want this is beyond my understanding unless you are in fact actually an enemy of the USA.

As I have said many times, sanctions must be extremely strict and strictly observed, if Bush is unable to get the sanctions he wants through the security council, then I suggest he informs the UN that the USA and allies will arbitrarily utilize these forceful sanctions against NJ.

Should NJ declare war then so be it, at THAT time they can be bombed, but not before a declaration of war or an undeclared attack on the US or one of it's allies.

Do try to both read and (although I know it is difficult for you) understand.

jujuman13 said:

TOT
As I have repeatedly tried to inform you.
Why don't you listen to reason
If we Bomb NK without first declaring war on them or they declaring war on us, we would be doing precisely what the Nips did to us in December 1942 and would face the same problems that the Nips had after the war was won.

NK borders SK, Russia and China, NK is a small country so that if we bombed them anywhere on or above their territory there would be an inevitable release of radiation that could reach any of those bordering countries.

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And I have already told you not if we use air burst low yeild tactical nukes the fallout will not extend outside of North Korea.

Now we already know that NK is a client state of China, what you probably do not know is that during the Korean war in the 1950s Russia loaned NK jet aircraft and personnel to both fly them as well as other personnel to assist them in their war against the UN troops. NK and Russia have maintained those links, Russia actually supports NK.

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Yes I already knew that it was Russians who were flying piloting those MIGs I also know that they still maintain ties with North Korea but not as close of ties as they have with the U.S.. But it is because of these ties that we can't trust Russia or China to go along with us in the U.N. and why military action is inevitable but China and Russia will not come to the defense of North Korea in a nuclear war it just wouldn't make sense for them to do so and say what you want about them being despotic they're not crazy despots like Kim Jon il.

It is a complete fallacy to state that Russia is now a Democratic country, it is not, it is in fact run by criminals who murder opposition figures when they become too intrusive and report on these criminals actions.

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No they're a Democracy just not a liberal one but their elections are still free and fair.

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This was a big mother****ing deal. Surprised its not bigger news.

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RightatNYU said:

This was a big mother****ing deal. Surprised its not bigger news.

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It won't sink in until a bomb goes off.......well, I mean another one, one that's not a test!

It's not news because there is more important news that the MSM is covering silly, Mark Foley and the Republicans are after our children!:shock:

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Deegan said:

It won't sink in until a bomb goes off.......well, I mean another one, one that's not a test!

It's not news because there is more important news that the MSM is covering silly, Mark Foley and the Republicans are after our children!:shock:

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And dont forget the biggest story coming out of the MSM - Who Madonna banged yesterday.