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    Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    With five Republicans joining Democrats in opposition, the Senate easily rejected a House-passed budget plan Wednesday calling for deep cuts in domestic appropriations and major restructuring of Medicare, the government-backed healthcare program for the elderly.
    While I am totally in favor of deficit reduction, there are items that I deem untouchable, such as medical care for our wounded soldiers, and medical care for our seniors. This GOP attempt to gut Medicare as we know it violates decency itself. Want to balance the budget? There are plenty of places to do that, beginning with the oil companies, the military industrial complex, and corporations such as GE, which did not pay a penny in taxes last year, and even got giveaways from the government to boot. These are your real welfare chiselers, not our senior citizens. And for those who loudly profess to the world to be Christians, I offer you this - Jesus himself said that whatever is done unto "the least of these" is done unto him. He never said to give money away to the rich, while telling the poor, disabled, and elderly to suck it up.

    And, on a religious note, I happen to believe that Jesus will return, and I also believe that, as it says in the Bible, when he does return, some will gain everlasting life, while others will gain everlasting shame. Jesus has never been a personal cosmic gofer for the monied elites, who stand up in churches and wave, saying "look at how righteous I am", while at the same time, forcing only the poor, disabled, and elderly to bear the burden of balancing the budget. And Jesus has some words for them too, which they had better heed:

    "Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

    -Matthew 25:45-46

    I bring the religious aspect of this up in order to expose the false teaching that Jesus makes people wealthy, and that the poor are poor because they do not have the love of God in their hearts. Now should the government force rich people to give all their money away? Of course not, but if the love of Jesus is truly in them, they would do it on their own. Their greed is their undoing. Why attempt to amass a fortune for one's own self, when a generation of life is no more than a speck of "forever"? But that is what the monied elite do, and that is what ultimately makes them such tragic and pathetic people. They would choose to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the disabled, and the elderly, and not ask GE or the oil companies to do their own fair share. And this, I am certain, is something that Jesus will remember, when the end of days finally arrives.

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    While I am totally in favor of deficit reduction, there are items that I deem untouchable, such as medical care for our wounded soldiers, and medical care for our seniors. This GOP attempt to gut Medicare as we know it violates decency itself. Want to balance the budget? There are plenty of places to do that, beginning with the oil companies, the military industrial complex, and corporations such as GE, which did not pay a penny in taxes last year, and even got giveaways from the government to boot. These are your real welfare chiselers, not our senior citizens. And for those who loudly profess to the world to be Christians, I offer you this - Jesus himself said that whatever is done unto "the least of these" is done unto him. He never said to give money away to the rich, while telling the poor, disabled, and elderly to suck it up.

    And, on a religious note, I happen to believe that Jesus will return, and I also believe that, as it says in the Bible, when he does return, some will gain everlasting life, while others will gain everlasting shame. Jesus has never been a personal cosmic gofer for the monied elites, who stand up in churches and wave, saying "look at how righteous I am", while at the same time, forcing only the poor, disabled, and elderly to bear the burden of balancing the budget. And Jesus has some words for them too, which they had better heed:

    "Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

    -Matthew 25:45-46

    I bring the religious aspect of this up in order to expose the false teaching that Jesus makes people wealthy, and that the poor are poor because they do not have the love of God in their hearts. Now should the government force rich people to give all their money away? Of course not, but if the love of Jesus is truly in them, they would do it on their own. Their greed is their undoing. Why attempt to amass a fortune for one's own self, when a generation of life is no more than a speck of "forever"? But that is what the monied elite do, and that is what ultimately makes them such tragic and pathetic people. They would choose to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the disabled, and the elderly, and not ask GE or the oil companies to do their own fair share. And this, I am certain, is something that Jesus will remember, when the end of days finally arrives.

    Article is here.
    Why didn't you report that the vote taken after Ryan's budget was the vote on President Obama's budget? That was quite a vote, 0-97. I would take Ryan's vote any day of the week as it showed he was attempting to rein in an out of control Federal Government.

    As for religion and Jesus, did Jesus ever say that a government or anyone should ever take money from one person to give it to another?

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Why didn't you report that the vote taken after Ryan's budget was the vote on President Obama's budget? That was quite a vote, 0-97. I would take Ryan's vote any day of the week as it showed he was attempting to rein in an out of control Federal Government.

    As for religion and Jesus, did Jesus ever say that a government or anyone should ever take money from one person to give it to another?
    You should read my post again. I never said that. In fact, I said that the government should not, but if the monied elites truly believed in Jesus, they would do it on their own.
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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    ...and that the poor are poor because they do not have the love of God in their hearts.
    only a complete moron would think poor people are poor because they haven't got the love of God in their hearts. Do you have examples of posters here espousing those sentiments?

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Why didn't you report that the vote taken after Ryan's budget was the vote on President Obama's budget? That was quite a vote, 0-97. I would take Ryan's vote any day of the week as it showed he was attempting to rein in an out of control Federal Government.

    As for religion and Jesus, did Jesus ever say that a government or anyone should ever take money from one person to give it to another?
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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You should read my post again. I never said that. In fact, I said that the government should not, but if the monied elites truly believed in Jesus, they would do it on their own.
    Since I never said what you think I said that you said, I cannot respond to that. Coud you list those monied elites and advise us as to how little they give to charity. How about starting with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet? If you need a few more names, just let me know.

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Entitlements are unsustainable and nobody is coming close to balancing the budget. So what are we supposed do to? Keep spending into oblivion because we "can't" change these programs? They're not perfect and they're not untouchable. Creating distorted perceptions of the realities of bills to gain political points will hurt seniors faster than changing medicare.
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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    studies consistently show that Conservatives give more to Charity than Liberals.


    as for the OP's ranting on Medicare, he is wrong on the math. We would need $89 Trillion to pay for Medicare without changing it. Currently we have negative $14.5 Trillion. Medicare will be reduced - the question becomes if we are able to do it in a way that we control, slowly shifting and tilting the program so as to cause least pain to the poorer elderly (as the Ryan plan does), or if we will try to ignore the problem and be forced to suddenly change Medicare in a manner that involves throwing seniors off the program en masse.

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Since I never said what you think I said that you said, I cannot respond to that. Coud you list those monied elites and advise us as to how little they give to charity. How about starting with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet? If you need a few more names, just let me know.
    Let's add to the list of wealthy who give to charity: Barry Diller, Ted Turner, Larry Ellison, George Lucas, T. Boone Pickens, Eli Broad, John Doerr, Gerry Lenfest, and John Morgridge.

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    Re: Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Let's add to the list of wealthy who give to charity: Barry Diller, Ted Turner, Larry Ellison, George Lucas, T. Boone Pickens, Eli Broad, John Doerr, Gerry Lenfest, and John Morgridge.
    Pretty much any celebrity has at least one charitable cause they advocate for and donate too.
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