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Obama flubs in guest book, dates visit "2008"

zimmer said:
I am a Conservative. I believe what our Founders left as a contract between the citizens and the government. OK... it's skewed, as are a whole lot of our Founders and the Conservative thinkers like Hobbes that shaped their views... ROTFLOL.
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And you don't think Liberals believe in what our Founders left just as much? Wait... nevermind... I already know the answer.

You're obviously hostile to Conservatives. To you they're partisan hacks. The term "partisan hack", or its equally vapid "extreme partisan hack" moniker is intellectual laziness. It reveals the failure to debate. I'd venture it betrays a certain propensity to intolerance.
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Not at all. I have some Conservative views as well. I don't think all Conservatives are partisan hacks, just the extreme ones...the same as extreme Liberals. I would consider you a part of that group.

"Talking points"... another slide into the cesspool of intellectual laziness.
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Feel free to call it what you want. It doesn't change how correct it is.

DP serves a few purposes... like Air America... one is to laugh at Libs.
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Nah, DP is a place for people of all political beliefs to debate politics...hence, the name...Debate Politics. The fact that you are cracking yourself up has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of this forum.

I am a Conservative. Shall I drink poison from the Lib chalice to please the Libs? For what reason shall I sell out? To get along? Sorry the price ain't worth it.
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Oh, you think I'm trying to convert you? :lol: You really think I give that much of a **** about what you do and don't believe?

ROTFLOL. I was young and dumb... like millions of American youth. The difference is I didn't close my mind, and becoming a global nomad helped put the greatness of America in perspective.
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You can give me a pamphlet on your boring and uninteresting path to your current political beliefs, but it doesn't change the fact that I don't believe you were really a Liberal. Even if you were, it changes nothing. It doesn't somehow give you credibility when you assess Liberals in your hyper-partisan way. Your material still comes off as regurgitated talking points.

My skewed assessment of Libs? Just look at the damage they have done throughout the world. Are you blind or simply ignorant? Everywhere they have imposed their solutions, failure follows. What is it about freedom, individual rights, ... you know... Liberty, that folks like you find so offensive? For if you embraced these natural rights, you'd have scant argument with my positions. The delivery might not please you... but the substance would.
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You do realize that America was founded by Liberals, right?

ROTFLOL... if you say so.
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Man, you really think you are a riot. Hopefully, I've given you some good material so you can draw another political comic that only you find funny as well.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...
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zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... ROTFLOL.
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zimmer said:
ROTFLOL
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For all the rolling on the floor you do, how do you type?

I actually used to be a Conservative before I grew up. Actually true, when I was 13, 14 I thought Reagan was the most wonderful thing ever. Then I was a liberal for a while, but that didn't work either. What's funny about you and Conservative is that you guys don't realize that you're still drinking Kool-Aid, you just switched to a different flavor. It's like watching someone argue that they won't get cancer because they switched to Marlboro Lights instead of Camels!
 
zimmer said:
I was a Commi-Lib. I was a Pelosi-Obama styled believer. I believed the poison, and that's what it is. I was open minded and changed over time... I know this pisses Libs off, but fact is fact. I changed when presented with fact that proved socialism fails on all levels in its attempt to provide the greatest good for the greatest number.

So, you see... I am objective... open minded and willing to learn. But nobody has come fore and presented the case that socialism works, and the facts pile up daily that it is a destructive ideology. But some folks cling bitterly to it despite the facts.

So, having been a Commi-Lib (with an open mind), I can make an objective case for the left, but their whole idiocy is emotion based and is easily deconstructed.

I mean really... a system where you have a third party that has no personal interest, offers no flexibility, is corrupt, wasteful and detached??? This is worthy of a defense? ROTFLOL... perhaps for the parasites that feed off others and use the beast as their conduit to scheme a portion of other folks labor.

The Left promotes a putrid and disgusting system based on division and envy. It's why they can't sell it straight to the people.

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All this does is prove that zimmer went from one failed ideology to another.
 
zimmer said:
And YOU are objective? ROTFLOL...

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We know you have no ability to assess, zim. rocket88 is right. You didn't stop drinking kool-aid. You just switched flavors.
 
Grant said:
Not all of them. A disproportionate number of liberal voters seem to be somewhere on the government dole.
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Hmmm... conservatives by their very definition are more reactionary than liberals. Just saying.
 
rocket88 said:
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For all the rolling on the floor you do, how do you type?
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Between laughs. Hard concept for you to grasp I see.

I actually used to be a Conservative before I grew up. Actually true, when I was 13, 14 I thought Reagan was the most wonderful thing ever.
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ROTFLOL... at 13 I was memorizing NHL stats, and working on puck control.

Then I was a liberal for a while, but that didn't work either.
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Seems you switched flavors without much thinking. BTW... Libs policy, socialist policy... it never works over the long haul. Shame you haven't figured that one out.
What's funny about you and Conservative is that you guys don't realize that you're still drinking Kool-Aid, you just switched to a different flavor.
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My evolution to becoming a Conservative took years... which means for a while I did embrace some aspects of socialism. These fell too, as a lot of reading and even more travel around the world revealed the flaws of what I believed. I not only read about how these systems fail, but saw the failures first hand, and met with and spoke with a lot of people that ran businesses. So, the conversion was slow, coupled with theory and real life experiences. Nobody has shown why I should turn back, and today the failures of socialism are more evident than ever.

You see... I agree with folks like former socialist von Mises who learned his lesson about the failure of socialism through researching the housing problem in Vienna. Hayek, Friedman, Hobbes, Smith... and there isn't anything that has shown me that injecting socialist poison from far away capitals by a few wise guys is the solution to the greatest good for the greatest number.

You may think Marx has a place in providing the greatest good for the greatest number. I don't.

It's like watching someone argue that they won't get cancer because they switched to Marlboro Lights instead of Camels!
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Just look at the destruction socialist policy has wrought about the world, and what the solution is and has been. Perhaps a little poison... or antigen assists humans build defenses or tolerance against said poison or pathogen, but poisoning Liberty doesn't achieve anything other than destruction of Liberty and the good it brings.

Shame you haven't figured that out either.

CC,
You haven't shown how poisoning Liberty is the model for success. Prove it... there is a world of examples. Perhaps the EU, or India's rise, or China's growth from a retarded Commi society, perhaps Kanuckistan can show us how socialist medical is the answer. Perhpas you can explain how government forcing banks to make bad loans is forward thinking. Perhpas YOU can explain how government mandated Ponzi/Madoff schemes have benefited America, Germany, Finland, Greece... take your pick, there's tons of examples.

You flap your gums, throw out your standard intellectually lazy lines... proclaim to be a centrist and above it all, use deception in an attempt to shut down arguments. Where is all this socialist success you embrace? After all, you claim the right is wrong, the left is wrong... show me where socialist doctrine succeeds, for you embrace some forms of socialist doctrine. If not, are you proclaiming to be a Conservative now? ROTFLOL... And please show me where Conservatism... embracing Liberty, natural law, our God Given Rights... Capitalism fails to provide the greatest good for the greatest number.

C'mon dude... J'us du ette.

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Hmmm... conservatives by their very definition are more reactionary than liberals. Just saying.
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Only socially. Economic statism is stagnatory.

The US system is designed (by us) to allow liberation in one major aspect or the other but not both at the same time, presumably because such would cause a rapture.
 
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Can't extreme liberals and extreme conservatives agree not to pick on every Republican or Democrat's mistake? Obama accidentally writes the wrong year. So what? Didn't you ever make a mistake? Simply because one is prominent in the political landscape, one has to be almighty, never make mistakes? The next time, extreme liberals will point out that a conservative leader like Newt Gingrich made a grammar mistake. Extreme conservatives will attack Obama for misspelling a word. Does that prove that both people are unworthy to be politicians?
Really, I'm sick of this idiotic bickering over insignificant issues. Instead of constructively talking about the effects of Obama's stimulus plans or debating about the 2012 primaries, we debate about people's time mistakes
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... at 13 I was memorizing NHL stats, and working on puck control.
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Ooookay. - and? So? .... you got a point there?
 
Proud South Korean said:
Can't extreme liberals and extreme conservatives agree not to pick on every Republican or Democrat's mistake? Obama accidentally writes the wrong year. So what? Didn't you ever make a mistake? Simply because one is prominent in the political landscape, one has to be almighty, never make mistakes? The next time, extreme liberals will point out that a conservative leader like Newt Gingrich made a grammar mistake. Extreme conservatives will attack Obama for misspelling a word. Does that prove that both people are unworthy to be politicians?
Really, I'm sick of this idiotic bickering over insignificant issues. Instead of constructively talking about the effects of Obama's stimulus plans or debating about the 2012 primaries, we debate about people's time mistakes
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You're quite right, Proud South Korean, but what's happening is that the Republicans are now fighting back in kind. You can see the hatred of Sarah Palin, who was a vice Presidential candidate over two years ago yet the hatred continues. Look to see the racism against a Black Republican Candidate, Herman Cain.

The strange, racist attack on Herman Cain « Hot Air

It will not change until there is an agreed truce and the Left will attack those on their side who cross over the line just as quickly as they will attack their opponents. The argument must confront the issues of the day rather than demonizing the opposing candidates, but that is unlikely to happen within this generation.
 
Grant said:
You're quite right, Proud South Korean, but what's happening is that the Republicans are now fighting back in kind. You can see the hatred of Sarah Palin, who was a vice Presidential candidate over two years ago yet the hatred continues. Look to see the racism against a Black Republican Candidate, Herman Cain.

The strange, racist attack on Herman Cain « Hot Air

It will not change until there is an agreed truce and the Left will attack those on their side who cross over the line just as quickly as they will attack their opponents. The argument must confront the issues of the day rather than demonizing the opposing candidates, but that is unlikely to happen within this generation.
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And again - you're pointing fingers and hurling accusations. Who said we must be the change we want to see in the world. If you're not actively fighting it, you're actively contributing, and you have no room to talk.
 
BDBoop said:
And again - you're pointing fingers and hurling accusations. Who said we must be the change we want to see in the world. If you're not actively fighting it, you're actively contributing, and you have no room to talk.
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I have no idea who said "we must be the change we want to see in the world".

Yes, i have no room to talk, though I once tried to discuss the issues, and still do occasionally. But i find the best way to deal with the committed leftists is to ridicule them and their candidates. They are not a very intelligent group and are easily made fun of.

Sarah Palin, for example, a former vice Presidential candidate, is still the subject of hate by the Leftists. No Republican would do the same thing to Joe Leiberman.

Even John Edwards, the former running mate of John Kerry, largely escapes the ridicule of the Right, despite his being charged with criminal offenses. The Left will continue to attack Sarah Palin while John Edwards, a serious presidential for the Left at one time, is led away in handcuffs. These are not serious people, and deserve the ridicule they receive.

No Leftist, as far as I have seen, has never repudiated the racist attacks on Herman Cain, or other Black candidates who have dared to run as Republicans. It goes back at least as far as Clarence Thomas in my memory, which was another stain on the reputation of the racist Democratic Party.
 
Mahatma Gandhi.
 
Grant said:
Sarah Palin, for example, a former vice Presidential candidate, is still the subject of hate by the Leftists. No Republican would do the same thing to Joe Leiberman.
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Okay, this was hilarious. I can't think of any reason Republicans don't attack Lieberman. :roll:

Grant said:
Even John Edwards, the former running mate of John Kerry, largely escapes the ridicule of the Right, despite his being charged with criminal offenses. The Left will continue to attack Sarah Palin while John Edwards, a serious presidential for the Left at one time, is led away in handcuffs. These are not serious people, and deserve the ridicule they receive.
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Edwards doesn't keep injecting himself into the media spotlight. How about Jimmy Carter?

Grant said:
No Leftist, as far as I have seen, has never repudiated the racist attacks on Herman Cain, or other Black candidates who have dared to run as Republicans. It goes back at least as far as Clarence Thomas in my memory, which was another stain on the reputation of the racist Democratic Party.
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Alan Keyes was a joke. It doesn't matter what color he is.

When Republican primary voters actually elect a person of color perhaps you won't look so ridiculous at calling the Democrat party racist.
 
Thorgasm said:
Okay, this was hilarious. I can't think of any reason Republicans don't attack Lieberman. :roll:
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Perhaps they could attack him because he is Jewish, just as they attack Herman Cain because he is Black. But we don't expect that from Republicans, only from Democrats.
Edwards doesn't keep injecting himself into the media spotlight. How about Jimmy Carter?
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No, we can see why Edwards wants to avoid the spotlight, that's for sure! How about Jimmy Carter? I was talking of vice Presidential candidates and their selective demonizating by the Left. Walter Mondale was never demonized the way Sarah Palin was, or indeed Dan Quayle.
Alan Keyes was a joke. It doesn't matter what color he is.
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Ah yes, another inspired, in-depth left wing political analysis. His name was never even mentioned yet you feel the need to call him "a joke". Because he's Black, right?
When Republican primary voters actually elect a person of color perhaps you won't look so ridiculous at calling the Democrat party racist.
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I've already mentioned what happened to Clarence Thomas and now Herman Cain. Democrats will eagerly and viscously attack any Black person who dares run as a Republican. Their overt racism is there for all to see.
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Grant said:
Perhaps they could attack him because he is Jewish, just as they attack Herman Cain because he is Black. But we don't expect that from Republicans, only from Democrats.
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Here's a thought. Maybe they attack him because he's conservative. Occam's razor, baby!

Grant said:
No, we can see why Edwards wants to avoid the spotlight, that's for sure! How about Jimmy Carter? I was talking of vice Presidential candidates and their selective demonizating by the Left. Walter Mondale was never demonized the way Sarah Palin was, or indeed Dan Quayle.
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Don't you mean Geraldine Ferraro?

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Grant said:
Ah yes, another inspired, in-depth left wing political analysis. His name was never even mentioned yet you feel the need to call him "a joke". Because he's Black, right?
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Nice race baiting.

Grant said:
I've already mentioned what happened to Clarence Thomas and now Herman Cain. Democrats will eagerly and viscously attack any Black person who dares run as a Republican. Their overt racism is there for all to see.
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Did Herman Cain leave a pubic hair on a Coke can too?

I missed where Cain was "viscously" attacked.
 
Good grief, this has got to be the dumbest, most petty, desperate thread I've ever seen. AT first, I thought the OP was having a laugh; but after further reading, I realised, to my disbelief, that the OP genius actually thought he was doing a service. In the words of Detective Carver from 'The Wire', unbe-****ing-lievable. Get a life, people.
 
BDBoop said:
Ooookay. - and? So? .... you got a point there?
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Yeah... I guess it flewed over yer head.

At 13 most kids aren't politically savvy. Their minds are largely empty and pliable. They're kids.

In fact when most leave college they aren't politically savvy. Most don't have the life experience, and most college kids have been filled with socialist clap trap. It's why the Left drools over the youth/ignorant vote.

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zimmer said:
CC,
You haven't shown how poisoning Liberty is the model for success. Prove it... there is a world of examples. Perhaps the EU, or India's rise, or China's growth from a retarded Commi society, perhaps Kanuckistan can show us how socialist medical is the answer. Perhpas you can explain how government forcing banks to make bad loans is forward thinking. Perhpas YOU can explain how government mandated Ponzi/Madoff schemes have benefited America, Germany, Finland, Greece... take your pick, there's tons of examples.

You flap your gums, throw out your standard intellectually lazy lines... proclaim to be a centrist and above it all, use deception in an attempt to shut down arguments. Where is all this socialist success you embrace? After all, you claim the right is wrong, the left is wrong... show me where socialist doctrine succeeds, for you embrace some forms of socialist doctrine. If not, are you proclaiming to be a Conservative now? ROTFLOL... And please show me where Conservatism... embracing Liberty, natural law, our God Given Rights... Capitalism fails to provide the greatest good for the greatest number.

C'mon dude... J'us du ette.

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zim... what it comes down to is that every time you speak you demonstrate that you don't understand what liberalism is. You analogizing it to socialism is ignorant. When you first came here, I engaged you in this discussion, and demonstrated that you have no idea what either really represent... you just use these terms as hack talking points. I asked you definitions, and when you gave them, I proved that they were either wrong or had nothing to do with each other. I'm impressed that you have lived in many places, but I'm not impressed that you have learned nothing from living in those places. You just spew the same old tired extreme conservative rhetoric, none of which has any basis in reality. There is nothing that you say that is actually debatable; it's like arguing physics with someone who doesn't even understand the concept of gravity and refuses to learn. Stay in your little hack world, zim. It's nice and safe there. The only thing you have to fear are the monsters that your little hack world creates for you to fear. Fortunately, the rest of us can deal with how things really are.
 
Grant said:
You're quite right, Proud South Korean, but what's happening is that the Republicans are now fighting back in kind. You can see the hatred of Sarah Palin, who was a vice Presidential candidate over two years ago yet the hatred continues. Look to see the racism against a Black Republican Candidate, Herman Cain.

The strange, racist attack on Herman Cain « Hot Air

It will not change until there is an agreed truce and the Left will attack those on their side who cross over the line just as quickly as they will attack their opponents. The argument must confront the issues of the day rather than demonizing the opposing candidates, but that is unlikely to happen within this generation.
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More irony in this post, Grant. Those who do not see both sides as being part of the problem, are THEMSELVES part of the problem. That puts you squarely in that camp.
 
zimmer said:
Yeah... I guess it flewed over yer head.

At 13 most kids aren't politically savvy. Their minds are largely empty and pliable. They're kids.

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So, you were empty, ignorant and assumed everybody else was just like you, so pointed and laughed at the kid who was politically minded?

I don't miss much, and that point was no exception.
 
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