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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I seem to remember Repulicons playing this game by funding Green party members. Ralph Nadar comes to mind and I'm sure there are others.
    i don't recall such (I recall them cheering him on) - but an important distinction is that nader (like perot) actually believed what they were selling. This guy was on deliberately as a spoiler.

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    oh, I definitely believe that we are going to see an entire campaign of fake "Tea Party" candidates emerge funded by left-leaning sources as this is now a twice-proven tactic.

    we will see if it and demagogic fear-mongering are enough in 2012 to get ya'll through or not.
    See where all this "persuasion" gets us?

    See where manipulation of public opinion gets us?

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Let's not forget that Ryan's plan in right wing social engineering.

    on the upside, Newt seems to have provided a kind of solvent like unto the radioactive liquid one swallows to allow doctors to peer at your inner organs. You can tell those who are unable to come up with a legitimate argument because they regurgitate his backwash.

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    is that based on evidence or the talking points from DNC spam central?
    What i have been reading was that Hochul took 48%.Do you think that of the other 52%, she wouldn't have copped a couple of %?Besides where do you think the votes that the Green in the race would go?
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    on the upside, Newt seems to have provided a kind of solvent like unto the radioactive liquid one swallows to allow doctors to peer at your inner organs. You can tell those who are unable to come up with a legitimate argument because they regurgitate his backwash.
    Newt was telling the truth - for once. He's knows it a losing proposition. Ryan's plan is the "death panel" that the conservatives talked about for a long time. What does a senior do who has a preexisting condition - like cancer - who is going to insure them and at what price? It's a stupid mean spirited plan by a brash young man.


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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Newt was telling the truth - for once. He's knows it a losing proposition. Ryan's plan is the "death panel" that the conservatives talked about for a long time. What does a senior do who has a preexisting condition - like cancer - who is going to insure them and at what price? It's a stupid mean spirited plan by a brash young man.


    Didn't the shirtless one win his last election by a 75/25 margin? If so, the winger talking points are starting to sound rather hollow.
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The Paul Ryan budget plan claims its first victim.
    Yes, a Democrat won in one of the reddest districts in the State of New York. But there is more to it than meets the eye:

    1) The Republican vote was split between two candidates.

    2) The Democrat still got less than 50% of the vote, which I wouldn't call a mandate by a long shot.

    Hochul has a right to celebrate. She won. And she should bask in the glow of her victory while she can. In this reddest of red districts, she is definitely going to be a one-termer.
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, a Democrat won in one of the reddest districts in the State of New York. But there is more to it than meets the eye:

    1) The Republican vote was split between two candidates.

    2) The Democrat still got less than 50% of the vote, which I wouldn't call a mandate by a long shot.

    Hochul has a right to celebrate. She won. And she should bask in the glow of her victory while she can. In this reddest of red districts, she is definitely going to be a one-termer.
    I am not buying the idea that the Republican vote was split between two candidates - Jack Davis clearly had a Democratic message in fact he was endorsed AFL/CIO.

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Here's Nate Silver's take on the special election. He does think that special elections have some predictive power on the subsequent general election, but that it's just one of many data points. An interesting article, from one of the better political minds out there.

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This the most Republic district in New York, it's definitely a referendum on Ryan's let Gramdma die, Medicare plan.

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