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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sour grapes.

    eh not really. I will gladly trade you an upstate seat for a 2010 swing election any year of the century

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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sour grapes.
    truth-and I couldn't care less-the GOP still has the house
    remind me how the last major election turned out

    I recall you pissing and moaning about that



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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm willing to lose one seat if that is the cost of being the only party with an actual solution to our debt crises.

    however, that wasn't even the trade that was made. the republican wasn't beaten by the Ryan Plan, but rather by a particularly dirty political tactic. So congratulations, guys; way to go
    Get used to it.... this was only a down payment .... a very small down payment. This one seat will seem as if a drop of water compared to the deluge heading your way. And thanks to right wing extremists for the hard slap.
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    truth-and I couldn't care less-the GOP still has the house
    remind me how the last major election turned out

    I recall you pissing and moaning about that
    But Ryan came up with a stupid plan to throw grandma over the cliff and all but 4 Republicons voted for it.


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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I can't answer for whoever it was that told you that the Tea Party was about nothing more than government "listening" to the people, but this guy wasn't it. He put himself on the ballot specifically just to put a "Tea Party" candidate there, and then generally didn't run. This guy was willing to self-finance a run as a Democrat - that's a true believer, not a Tea Party Small Government Republicans Are Spending Too Much type.

    I agree the Medicare thing probably didn't help; but it was Davis that killed the Republican shot at this thing, not Ryan.
    Usually when a party significantly splits its vote, it's evidence of some sort of problem with the party's standard bearer. Maybe not always, but a good fraction of the time. That's why I don't think you can just add up the vote totals of the Republican candidate and the Tea Party candidate, and conclude that the Republican would have won in a two-way race against the Democrat. Occasionally that might be true, but usually the third party candidate would never have been successful in the first place if the people who would normally vote Republican were satisfied with the Republican nominee. It's the same reason that I don't think Ross Perot was a spoiler for George H.W. Bush...Perot would've been an asterisk like most third party candidates if there hadn't been any disaffection with Bush for him to tap into.

    Now, whether or not this Tea Party candidate was legitimate, I couldn't tell you. I've never heard of him and didn't even know (or care) that there was a special election until last night. But I don't think you can conclude that his votes would have otherwise gone to the Republican.

    And I agree that the predictive value of these special elections on the results of the next general election is nil.
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Get used to it.... this was only a down payment .... a very small down payment. This one seat will seem as if a drop of water compared to the deluge heading your way. And thanks to right wing extremists for the hard slap.
    its easy to win elections when you tell people you will keep giving them all they want and they won't have to pay for it

    ruining the country to keep the dem parasites in power has been your party's SOP since 1932



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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    But Ryan came up with a stupid plan to throw grandma over the cliff and all but 4 Republicons voted for it.
    your hysterical take on this is expected

    as I noted before

    everybody wanna go to heaven

    nobody wanna die

    telling the junkies they will keep getting their dope wins you the voted of the stoned



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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    This was one of the most conservative districts in New York. The Republican candidate got 74% of the vote in the last election. This vote for the Democrat represents a complete rejection of the Ryan plan by a very conservative electorate.
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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Democrats ran a spoiler fake "Tea Party" candidate to split the Republican vote. Somehow the NYTimes seems to have neglected to mention that.

    So ya'll get an extra seat in Congress; but anyone trying to sell you that it is some kind of major swing-trend is offering snake-oil.


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    Re: Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

    I'd warn some people in here about saying it's a referendum on ryans plan or anything of that nature frankly.

    I seem to remember some of you being very upset about people calling some of the races following obamas election that the right called a referendum on him...

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