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    Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school districts

    In a widely anticipated decision, the New Jersey Supreme Court ordered the state to spend an additional $500 million on public education in poor districts next year.

    Christie says he won't fight N.J. Supreme Court order to add $500M in funding for poor school districts | NJ.com

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    sounds reasonably fair. Most of Christie's cuts here are intact, the poorer district get some funds restored, and they can get on with trying to balance the budget.

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    NJ has the highest per-student spending rate (Info here) and spends 1/3 of its total budget on education (Info here). They rank 7th in the nation (Info here) per the Obama-led educational assessments and success plans. Perhaps they can find a way to manage the funding a bit better and get creative. Maybe they can defer to states ranked 1-6 for ideas? Maybe teachers could accept the 8% pension/health care contribution and stop whining about how poorly they're treated? Maybe administration could shave a little off the top? They spend over 30billion a year on education...500 million is only a 1.6% cut.
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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    NJ has the highest per-student spending rate (Info here) and spends 1/3 of its total budget on education (Info here). They rank 7th in the nation (Info here) per the Obama-led educational assessments and success plans. Perhaps they can find a way to manage the funding a bit better and get creative. Maybe they can defer to states ranked 1-6 for ideas? Maybe teachers could accept the 8% pension/health care contribution and stop whining about how poorly they're treated? Maybe administration could shave a little off the top? They spend over 30billion a year on education...500 million is only a 1.6% cut.
    All that is true tess...and the reason for it is that little New Jersey has 620 school districts all with Superintendents making 150 to 250 K plus benefits with secretaries with benes....and this is not the states fault its the voters fault they all want HOME RULE so they have to pay for it....NJ should have consolidated down to one school district a county years ago..its would save hundreds of millions.

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    New Jersey's no-school school districts | NJ.com
    26 districts with no physical schools... shipping students out to other districts... but maintaining the personnel to run the 'district' like 'elected boards of education and property taxpayer-paid administrators'...

    however...

    'But a new law is finally eliminating these nonoperating school districts, merging them wholly into the districts where their kids are educated and where the bulk of school-related property taxes have gone all along.'

    This will leave NJ with only 24 more districts than towns. Now they need to work on those 24.

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    New Jersey's no-school school districts | NJ.com
    26 districts with no physical schools... shipping students out to other districts... but maintaining the personnel to run the 'district' like 'elected boards of education and property taxpayer-paid administrators'...

    however...

    'But a new law is finally eliminating these nonoperating school districts, merging them wholly into the districts where their kids are educated and where the bulk of school-related property taxes have gone all along.'

    This will leave NJ with only 24 more districts than towns. Now they need to work on those 24.

    you do understand thats 24 school districts OVER and above the 620 active school districts right ?

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    All that is true tess...and the reason for it is that little New Jersey has 620 school districts all with Superintendents making 150 to 250 K plus benefits with secretaries with benes....and this is not the states fault its the voters fault they all want HOME RULE so they have to pay for it....NJ should have consolidated down to one school district a county years ago..its would save hundreds of millions.
    By comparison:
    Texas has a population of 25,145,561 (8% of country total) and has over 1200 operating school districts.
    New Jersey has a population of 8,791,894 (2.8% of country total) and has over 590 operating school districts.

    Texas is 262,400 square miles.
    New Jersey is 8729 square miles.

    I'm not sure what the average is, but the SI of Dallas ISD was making 328K a year before he decided to leave (thank God) and go to Georgia. Dallas is the second largest in the state, so for argument's sake, let's say the average is 150k. That's $180,000,000 in pay for super intendents alone in Texas. In New Jersey it's $88,650,000.

    Surely, some districts could be combined. I can think of about 6 combinations in the DFW area alone, based solely on proximity/county of origin.
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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    All that is true tess...and the reason for it is that little New Jersey has 620 school districts all with Superintendents making 150 to 250 K plus benefits with secretaries with benes....and this is not the states fault its the voters fault they all want HOME RULE so they have to pay for it....NJ should have consolidated down to one school district a county years ago..its would save hundreds of millions.
    This. Demanding teachers pay into their pensions is a great idea; however, its not the cause of the problem far from it. Hell, some teachers (nationally) barely make middle class wages and the only reason they are middle class is because of the pension/benefit system

    Every state should be able to managed with 10,000 -15,000 students/district, which if class size is 20 (small) is 500-750 teachers/super indented

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    you do understand thats 24 school districts OVER and above the 620 active school districts right ?
    um...yeah...that's kinda what the 'only 24 more districts than towns.'

    Looking up a little more info, there are 566 municipalities in NJ. Since there are 620 school districts(not counting the 24 that from the linked piece should be gone), that leaves 54 districts more than municipalities. In many cases, this is because the districts have been split due to thier size... they would be to cumbersome to maintain effectively otherwise. CHerry Hill East & West, for example.

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    Re: Surpreme Court of NJ tells christie to restore 500 mil for poorest school distric

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    um...yeah...that's kinda what the 'only 24 more districts than towns.'

    Looking up a little more info, there are 566 municipalities in NJ. Since there are 620 school districts(not counting the 24 that from the linked piece should be gone), that leaves 54 districts more than municipalities. In many cases, this is because the districts have been split due to thier size... they would be to cumbersome to maintain effectively otherwise. CHerry Hill East & West, for example.
    A single SI couldn't handle 500 teachers?

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