Approval rating for Gov. Christie dips among N.J. voters, poll shows

Dont believe the hype that Christie is so popular, first of all he hasnt done ANYTHING yet...hes gotten nothing passed, all he does is run around the state running his mouth.
I predicted that all the teaparty govs that got into office and first thing they did was give tax breaks for the very wealthy and corporations then attacked the working class would eventually falter and get in the negatives....EVERYONE OF THEM is now going down
Rick Scott, Scott Walker, Christie...to name 3 of the most notorious.

Gov. Chris Christie’s ratings turned increasingly negative this month as voters giving him low job-performance scores climbed to the highest proportion since he took office in January 2010, according to a new survey.

Approval rating for Gov. Christie dips among N.J. voters, poll shows | NJ.com

lpast said:

Dont believe the hype that Christie is so popular, first of all he hasnt done ANYTHING yet...hes gotten nothing passed, all he does is run around the state running his mouth.

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No, that appears to be all you do. This is just the first bunch of laws I found Christie has signed. Perhaps before opening your mouth, you should make sure you're not about to put your foot in it.

Gov. Christie signs 'Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights'
NJ Governor Christie Signs Legislation Phasing in Single Sales Fraction and Establishing Revenue Miles Fraction for Airlines
Gov. Christie Signs Benefit Corporation Legislation
Law to “protect” unemployed in New Jersey passed
New Jersey finally gets a Gold Star license plate.
S2192 was signed by Governor Christie on 1/31/11
Christie Signs N.J. Captive Bill Into Law
Christie Administration Quietly Signs Controversial Ratepayer-Subsidy Bill
Gov. Chris Christie signs bill ending early-release program for inmates
New Jersey’s Tough Concussion Law Signed By Gov. Christie
Christie signs legislation design to bolster business in New Jersey

Whovian said:

No, that appears to be all you do. This is just the first bunch of laws I found Christie has signed. Perhaps before opening your mouth, you should make sure you're not about to put your foot in it.

Gov. Christie signs 'Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights'
NJ Governor Christie Signs Legislation Phasing in Single Sales Fraction and Establishing Revenue Miles Fraction for Airlines
Gov. Christie Signs Benefit Corporation Legislation
Law to “protect” unemployed in New Jersey passed
New Jersey finally gets a Gold Star license plate.
S2192 was signed by Governor Christie on 1/31/11
Christie Signs N.J. Captive Bill Into Law
Christie Administration Quietly Signs Controversial Ratepayer-Subsidy Bill
Gov. Chris Christie signs bill ending early-release program for inmates
New Jersey’s Tough Concussion Law Signed By Gov. Christie
Christie signs legislation design to bolster business in New Jersey

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First of all because he signed them does not make them his bill, I strictly referring to his agenda of Public Employee Pensions and Public Employee Health Benefit rape that he crows about incessantly since he got in office...has not passed...His Education Reform bill which is almost a billion bucks that is the cornerstone of his budget has NOT passed yet...any and all govs pass routine laws that are written by the other party or theirs that arent part of their specific platform.

I noticed you didnt dispute where I said all the teaparty govs are now in the negatives and going down...for creating the perception they were giving the rich and corporations at the expense of the working class...

Whovian said:

No, that appears to be all you do. This is just the first bunch of laws I found Christie has signed. Perhaps before opening your mouth, you should make sure you're not about to put your foot in it.

Gov. Christie signs 'Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights'
NJ Governor Christie Signs Legislation Phasing in Single Sales Fraction and Establishing Revenue Miles Fraction for Airlines
Gov. Christie Signs Benefit Corporation Legislation
Law to “protect” unemployed in New Jersey passed
New Jersey finally gets a Gold Star license plate.
S2192 was signed by Governor Christie on 1/31/11
Christie Signs N.J. Captive Bill Into Law
Christie Administration Quietly Signs Controversial Ratepayer-Subsidy Bill
Gov. Chris Christie signs bill ending early-release program for inmates
New Jersey’s Tough Concussion Law Signed By Gov. Christie
Christie signs legislation design to bolster business in New Jersey

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First of all because he signed them does not make them his bill, I strictly referring to his agenda of Public Employee Pensions and Public Employee Health Benefit rape that he crows about incessantly since he got in office...has not passed...His Education Reform bill which is almost a billion bucks that is the cornerstone of his budget has NOT passed yet...any and all govs pass routine laws that are written by the other party or theirs that arent part of their specific platform.

I noticed you didnt dispute where I said all the teaparty govs are now in the negatives and going down...for creating the perception they were giving the rich and corporations at the expense of the working class...
So perhaps before you open your mouth you should know what your talking about.

lpast said:

First of all because he signed them does not make them his bill, I strictly referring to his agenda of Public Employee Pensions and Public Employee Health Benefit rape that he crows about incessantly since he got in office...has not passed...His Education Reform bill which is almost a billion bucks that is the cornerstone of his budget has NOT passed yet...any and all govs pass routine laws that are written by the other party or theirs that arent part of their specific platform.

I noticed you didnt dispute where I said all the teaparty govs are now in the negatives and going down...for creating the perception they were giving the rich and corporations at the expense of the working class...

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Ok... so you meant he hasn't done anything you like yet. Got it.

As for the Tea Party comment, I care about them... why? Exactly?

Whovian said:

Ok... so you meant he hasn't done anything you like yet. Got it.

As for the Tea Party comment, I care about them... why? Exactly?

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No you dont got it...he hasnt done anything with his agenda nothing...got it yet ?

I was a republican for decades..I am not a member of the teaparty...the teaparty is for of the rich for the rich at everyone elses expense...thats my view, I cant be for something thats against me.

Thats all you hear from the teaparty..We need moret tax cuts for the rich and corporations and for anything for the working class WE CANT AFFORD IT were broke and Public Workers make to much money and Ceo's need a tax cut.

Unless Christie’s Pension Reforms are Enacted in 2011, New Jersey Faces Pension Fund Bankruptcy in 2018

In 2010, Governor Chris Christie confronted New Jersey’s crisis of affordability by successfully enacting a strengthened property tax cap and a budget with no tax increases.

In 2011, it is the government of the State of New Jersey itself – and not just its citizens - that may be facing a future bankruptcy. Unless the legislature enacts Governor Christie’s pension reform initiatives, New Jersey is certain at some point after 2018 to become the first state to file for bankruptcy of its pension funds under any future federal statute that gives states the power to file bankruptcy.

The Christie pension reform plan consists primarily of the following three initiatives:
1) rolling back a 9 percent increase that was granted for 2011
2) raising the retirement age to 65
3) requiring that all employees pay 8.5 percent of their salary to the pension. To help fulfill the massive $66.8 billion unfunded promise to future and current employees for lifetime health benefits, the Governor proposes that employees pay 30 percent of their health care costs by 2014, up from the current level of 8 percent, but still below the 34 percent that the average federal worker pays.

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On Thursday, December 23, 2010, the New Jersey Department of the Treasury released a report stating that the unfunded liability of the state’s pension plans is now $53.9 billion, having grown by $8.05 billion between June, 2009 and June, 2010.

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In the absence of a bailout, bankruptcy, or passage of the Christie pension reform initiatives, only two possible circumstances can save New Jersey’s pension funds from running out of money in 2018. The first would be an increase in the value of New Jersey’s pension assets caused by a rise in the Dow to 20,000. That is never going to happen. The second would be the passage of a major New Jersey tax hike. That would be ruinous to the economy of New Jersey, and Governor Christie would never sign such foolhardy legislation.

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So. You're either in favor of maintaining an underfunded pension plan as it is... or hoping for the DOW to top 20,000... or, in favor of massive tax hikes. Sweet.

I never understood the idea of a "free pension". It's your retirement and you should pay into it. I couldn't believe that people were balking over him asking teachers and other state employees to pay 8% into their "guaranteed" pension plans.

tessaesque said:

I never understood the idea of a "free pension". It's your retirement and you should pay into it. I couldn't believe that people were balking over him asking teachers and other state employees to pay 8% into their "guaranteed" pension plans.

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I WANT FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ninja:

Whovian said:

I WANT FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ninja:

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And what's sad is there is probably a program facilitated by the government that'll give it to you. Just 'cause you want it, and you're the poor, downtrodden, abused middle class.

Whovian said:

Unless Christie’s Pension Reforms are Enacted in 2011, New Jersey Faces Pension Fund Bankruptcy in 2018

In 2010, Governor Chris Christie confronted New Jersey’s crisis of affordability by successfully enacting a strengthened property tax cap and a budget with no tax increases.

In 2011, it is the government of the State of New Jersey itself – and not just its citizens - that may be facing a future bankruptcy. Unless the legislature enacts Governor Christie’s pension reform initiatives, New Jersey is certain at some point after 2018 to become the first state to file for bankruptcy of its pension funds under any future federal statute that gives states the power to file bankruptcy.







So. You're either in favor of maintaining an underfunded pension plan as it is... or hoping for the DOW to top 20,000... or, in favor of massive tax hikes. Sweet.

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Thats another teaparty bullchit story...the legislature in NJ wont consider his pension reforms until he makes the two payments he owes that he hasnt paid that he used to to balance his budget, he owes the pension millions he hasnt paid
New Jersey had the richest most solvent pension in the world until Christine Todd Whitman stopped making the states pension payments so she could lower taxs on the rich in NJ.
New Jersey public workers pay 50% of their pension costs ALWAYS HAVE the state and munincipalities pay half. The pension is not broke it was broken by republicans INTENTIONALLY.
Christies pension reforms come AFTER he gave corporate tax cuts and refuses to make his payments into the pension fund.

The republican party has lost and will lose more republicans that arent rich fat cats.
The teaparty has launched class warfare on the poor and middleclass for the benefit of the rich.
On top of the attacks by teaparty govs you have the Federal teaparty spoiled brats attacking the middle class also...anything poor or middleclass...they cant afford were broke...public and govt employees make to much...the rich need mOAR tax cuts so the darlins can create jobs in china....big oil needs to keep their billions in taxpayer subsidies because its fair but pensions for govt workers..WE CANT AFFORD IT...its all a bs story.

lpast said:

Thats another teaparty bullchit story...the legislature in NJ wont consider his pension reforms until he makes the two payments he owes that he hasnt paid that he used to to balance his budget, he owes the pension millions he hasnt paid
New Jersey had the richest most solvent pension in the world until Christine Todd Whitman stopped making the states pension payments so she could lower taxs on the rich in NJ.
New Jersey public workers pay 50% of their pension costs ALWAYS HAVE the state and munincipalities pay half. The pension is not broke it was broken by republicans INTENTIONALLY.
Christies pension reforms come AFTER he gave corporate tax cuts and refuses to make his payments into the pension fund.

The republican party has lost and will lose more republicans that arent rich fat cats.
The teaparty has launched class warfare on the poor and middleclass for the benefit of the rich.
On top of the attacks by teaparty govs you have the Federal teaparty spoiled brats attacking the middle class also...anything poor or middleclass...they cant afford were broke...public and govt employees make to much...the rich need mOAR tax cuts so the darlins can create jobs in china....big oil needs to keep their billions in taxpayer subsidies because its fair but pensions for govt workers..WE CANT AFFORD IT...its all a bs story.

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New Jersey has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the country. If you want jobs and businesses to provide jobs you have to be competitive. Lowering corportate tax rates encourages businesses to stay or to come into the state. It's simple logic..

Link here

lpast said:

Thats another teaparty bullchit story...the legislature in NJ wont consider his pension reforms until he makes the two payments he owes that he hasnt paid that he used to to balance his budget, he owes the pension millions he hasnt paid
New Jersey had the richest most solvent pension in the world until Christine Todd Whitman stopped making the states pension payments so she could lower taxs on the rich in NJ.
New Jersey public workers pay 50% of their pension costs ALWAYS HAVE the state and munincipalities pay half. The pension is not broke it was broken by republicans INTENTIONALLY.
Christies pension reforms come AFTER he gave corporate tax cuts and refuses to make his payments into the pension fund.

The republican party has lost and will lose more republicans that arent rich fat cats.
The teaparty has launched class warfare on the poor and middleclass for the benefit of the rich.
On top of the attacks by teaparty govs you have the Federal teaparty spoiled brats attacking the middle class also...anything poor or middleclass...they cant afford were broke...public and govt employees make to much...the rich need mOAR tax cuts so the darlins can create jobs in china....big oil needs to keep their billions in taxpayer subsidies because its fair but pensions for govt workers..WE CANT AFFORD IT...its all a bs story.

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Translation: REPUBLICNAS ARE EVIL! I HATE REPUBLICANS!

Whovian said:

I WANT FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ninja:

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I not only dont want free money, i never took a free dime in my life....I got up and went to work everyday and did a job most cant qualify to do...I played by all the rules and paid my half of my pension BY FORCE..I had no choice. It was mandatory by LAW to pay into my pension and social security. I had no choice to invest my money on my own.
Dont give me I want free money crap thats just another far right talking point

I would also like to know, of those in the "middle class" who feel victimized...how do you live? What exactly are you lacking in shelter, clothing, food, transportation, and medical care? What do you think you deserve that you aren't getting?

tessaesque said:

New Jersey has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the country. If you want jobs and businesses to provide jobs you have to be competitive. Lowering corportate tax rates encourages businesses to stay or to come into the state. It's simple logic..

Link here

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come on.. you know very well Republicans are evil and we should take his 'opinions' over the 'facts'... aren't you paying attention?

lpast said:

I not only dont want free money, i never took a free dime in my life....I got up and went to work everyday and did a job most cant qualify to do...I played by all the rules and paid my half of my pension BY FORCE..I had no choice. It was mandatory by LAW to pay into my pension and social security. I had no choice to invest my money on my own.
Dont give me I want free money crap thats just another far right talking point

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No choice? Really? You couldn't choose another profession or find another locality? You couldn't take 2-5% of the left over money and invest it privately?

Whovian said:

come on.. you know very well Republicans are evil and we should take his 'opinions' over the 'facts'... aren't you paying attention?

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Well, hell. I forgot, corporations, rich people, and republicans are all evil. And the middle class is suffering in their 150k homes and 42k vehicles, and swimming pools.

lpast said:

Thats another teaparty bullchit story...the legislature in NJ wont consider his pension reforms until he makes the two payments he owes that he hasnt paid that he used to to balance his budget, he owes the pension millions he hasnt paid
New Jersey had the richest most solvent pension in the world until Christine Todd Whitman stopped making the states pension payments so she could lower taxs on the rich in NJ.
New Jersey public workers pay 50% of their pension costs ALWAYS HAVE the state and munincipalities pay half. The pension is not broke it was broken by republicans INTENTIONALLY.
Christies pension reforms come AFTER he gave corporate tax cuts and refuses to make his payments into the pension fund.

The republican party has lost and will lose more republicans that arent rich fat cats.
The teaparty has launched class warfare on the poor and middleclass for the benefit of the rich.
On top of the attacks by teaparty govs you have the Federal teaparty spoiled brats attacking the middle class also...anything poor or middleclass...they cant afford were broke...public and govt employees make to much...the rich need mOAR tax cuts so the darlins can create jobs in china....big oil needs to keep their billions in taxpayer subsidies because its fair but pensions for govt workers..WE CANT AFFORD IT...its all a bs story.

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What assumptions of earnings did the pension funds make?? Without knowing the answer to that question, you can't know who caused what when. Defined benefit pension plans are the biggest drain on taxpayer monies to come down the pipeline in a loooong time. These pension plans made assumptions of 8% return...made risky investments...then are asking taxpayers to make up the difference. Do your homework.

WatchBlog: What Will the Public Pension, Health Gap be Now? $3 trillion? $5 trillion?
Report: Detroit public pension funds have lost $480M in risky investments since 2008 | MLive.com

NorthJersey.com: NJ hasn't saved a penny for retiree health care obligations, study finds

As of 2009, 19 states have set aside no funds for future medical costs, while the others have mostly tucked away a small fraction of what they owe retirees, according to the study.

Gov. Chris Christie and state Senate President Stephen Sweeney (D-Gloucester) are working on changes to the public-employee medical system that would push some of costs to current workers and future retirees in the form of increased contributions. But neither have proposed establishing a pension-style fund.

Christie spokesman Kevin Roberts yesterday said the governor is not currently considering a pension-style plan for health benefits. “Our focus is on getting the Legislature to enact our reform plan to ease the unsustainable burden it places on taxpayers, who on average fund 92 percent of the cost of public employee health benefits in the state,” he said.

With enough in the bank to cover 66 percent of what’s owed in benefits, New Jersey’s pension system is also among the most poorly funded in the nation, according the study.

Based on the percentage funding, New Jersey has the 12th poorest pension plan in the country, according to the study. The state had the seventh poorest pension plan when Pew released a similar report last year.

Many states, including New Jersey, have skipped or reduced pension contributions so they could divert money to other areas. Overall, states were supposed to contribute $115 billion to their pensions, but only kicked up $73 billion in 2009, the study shows.

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I wonder if all those other 18 states have evil Republican governors?

Whovian said:

Translation: REPUBLICNAS ARE EVIL! I HATE REPUBLICANS!

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You cant put words in my mouth, im a big boy and will readily say what ever it is I believe on my own.
I am still a registered republican..I never voted anything but republican for decades...that has now changed...I am NOT for this teaparty in any way shape or form...I will vote against them in every election I can...I am very sorry I voted for Rick Scott and my jury is still out on Marco Rubio who I voted for and whos been in hiding riding the tide out to see which way hes going to go.
So lets summarize so you dont have to make any more foolish assumptions about me whovian..Im going to try to make this crystal clear for you.

I am a republican not a far right nutjob nor a rich guy that doesnt give a chit about anyone else...I am totally against this new teaparty republican party. Now having said that let me say this....
I am a quite comfortable individual who is in the unique position that NONE of this effects me personally...Ryans plan doesnt effect me...Neither does Christies...this isnt about me with me..and my dislike for the teaparty isnt about anything they are doing to me personally...Its what I see them doing to everyone else....and I predict its going to fail in the long run. America doesnt not like the far left and they dont like the far right. It takes a while before the majority of americans wake up...they are starting to wake finally the polls are reflecting that.

tessaesque said:

I never understood the idea of a "free pension". It's your retirement and you should pay into it. I couldn't believe that people were balking over him asking teachers and other state employees to pay 8% into their "guaranteed" pension plans.

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Well in the old days, in private industry, pensions (annuity plans) were quite common and amounted to money the company wasn't paying you and was set aside. I think those kinds of pensions are now phased out, except for the cost of them for those that were hired under those plans. So you can't merely take the money, since it was technically part of their original compensation. Paying into your own retirement is a fine thing, and IRAs were made for that. 401K and the like, are another option between you and your employer that is compensation deferred. So technically you already earned that money, and if the company included COLAs are part of your package, then would be included as a promise as well. Maybe part of the problem is that the moneys weren't invested in the proper instruments that would bear a positive return above inflation. Requiring the teachers to pay more in tells me the money hasn't been well invested over the years. This is very similar to social security where the payroll deduction percentage has been steadily climbing since its inception; albeit also for other reasons such as welfare for people that never paid in.

A standard pension type plan also existed in the federal govt under CSRS untill it was phased out in 1983, and replaced by the FERS which has several components including a 401K-like plan (TSP). It also includes an annuity and social security.

Small businesses have always had to include these various retirement options based on affordability. Some can afford them and some can't. I suggest it is still incumbent upon each employee to try to develop some kind of personal retirement plan. Even if they can only put aside a little bit into an IRA each year.

Social security, IMO, is not the best way to secure retirement. I think there are better methods of investing money. A govt requirement to put aside a certain percentage of money into retirement (of your choice) to minimize the chance of public destitution is one thing; to require a payroll deduction into a system in which the employee has no choice is another. That's why I support an eventual replacement of SS with a system where the employee choses where to invest his money.

Buyers remorse is now in states all over the nation. Right wing governors are now falling like stones in popularity polls. Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, Florida and Wisconsin just to name the obvious. The American people re waking up to the right wing war on the working class and the timing on this spells trouble for the right wing in 2012. Sadly, by that time, tons of damage will alrealdy have been done by right wing administrations which control many states. It will take decades to rectify the gross errors they have made in the name of their extremist ideology.

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Buyers remorse is now in states all over the nation. Right wing governors are now falling like stones in popularity polls. Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, Florida and Wisconsin just to name the obvious. The American people re waking up to the right wing war on the working class and the timing on this spells trouble for the right wing in 2012. Sadly, by that time, tons of damage will alrealdy have been done by right wing administrations which control many states. It will take decades to rectify the gross errors they have made in the name of their extremist ideology.

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Michigan had a democrat governor for eight years who effective ran that state into the ground. They're idiots if they don't give their new governor some time to fix everything that's broken.