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    Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Yet another potential Republican presidential hopeful has issues with his record on health care reform. Looks like Mitch Daniels has some explaining to do.

    Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    WASHINGTON -- A race to pre-define the prospective presidential candidacy of Republican Mitch Daniels took off in haste on Thursday, as Democrats heaped praise on the Indiana governor for his implementation of the president's health care law.

    It's low-hanging fruit, as far as political attacks go. The Affordable Care Act is toxic among Republican voters -- something that those attacking Daniels are implicitly acknowledging. While the Indiana governor has called for ObamaCare's repeal, his acceptance of the ACA money does set him apart from some of his GOP colleagues.

    It also underscores that extent to which Daniel is vulnerable on the health care front. Like nearly every other candidate in the GOP field, his record contains several potential points of friction among conservative voters. The most obvious one would be his previous support for the notion that the government could mandate individuals to purchase insurance. Below, for instance, is an October 23, 2003, South Bend Tribune article about Daniels on the gubernatorial campaign trail.

    The candidate said he favors a universal health care system that would move away from employee-based health policies and make it mandatory for all Americans to have health insurance.

    Daniels envisioned one scenario in which residents could certify their coverage when paying income taxes and receive a tax exemption that would cover the cost.

    "We really have to have universal coverage," Daniels said.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Another problem for Daniels: he was Bush's budget director. Oops.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    until 2003, when he left to go run for governor.

    it is sort of entertaining how democrats are now admitting that the President's healthcare plan is a poison-kiss, and attempting to tie it to the candidates that they see as a threat. Obama has made a point of saying specifically how wonderful he thinks Romneycare is on... how many occasions since Romney took in $10 million?

    Having spent 3 years blaming them for his inability to spark an economic recovery, it seems that Obama has decided to blame Republicans for Obamacare, too

    however, before we get into the words (and I have more than a few questions about those), let's look at deeds. what did Mitch Daniels actually do to reform healthcare in his state?

    Oh, well would you look at that.

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    Yet, I have no doubt the left will demagogue him as far right.

    Let the attacks commence, he is a possible GOP front runner after all.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Yet, I have no doubt the left will demagogue him as far right.

    Let the attacks commence, he is a possible GOP front runner after all.
    He hasn't helped himself on the "far-right" issue.

    But, like nearly all Republicans in the field, he does have the "not conservative enough" thing against him.

    Despite calling for "a truce on social issues" (bad in the primary, good in the general), he's gone along with Indiana's new-far-right-wing contingent in Congress to pass bills that anyone from the center on would largely consider to be "far right-wing".

    I get it. He has to do it; because you can't "call a truce" and win the Republican Primary. But it doesn't bode well for the general election. The same thing (along with a lot of other things) hobbled McCain.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    until 2003, when he left to go run for governor.

    it is sort of entertaining how democrats are now admitting that the President's healthcare plan is a poison-kiss, and attempting to tie it to the candidates that they see as a threat. Obama has made a point of saying specifically how wonderful he thinks Romneycare is on... how many occasions since Romney took in $10 million?

    Having spent 3 years blaming them for his inability to spark an economic recovery, it seems that Obama has decided to blame Republicans for Obamacare, too

    however, before we get into the words (and I have more than a few questions about those), let's look at deeds. what did Mitch Daniels actually do to reform healthcare in his state?

    Oh, well would you look at that.
    You sure have a funny way of looking at things. The point of the article is not that Democrats are complaining that Obamacare is too far to the right. You're not even remotely close. The point is that Republicans like Daniels and Romney don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing Obama over his health care reform law. Romney's law was the blueprint for Obama's law, and Daniels pushed for similar reforms and also accepted Obamacare funds. Nice attempt at deflection, though.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You sure have a funny way of looking at things. The point of the article is not that Democrats are complaining that Obamacare is too far to the right. You're not even remotely close. The point is that Republicans like Daniels and Romney don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing Obama over his health care reform law. Romney's law was the blueprint for Obama's law, and Daniels pushed for similar reforms and also accepted Obamacare funds. Nice attempt at deflection, though.
    What a surprise, Sgt doesn't know the difference between state run programs and Federal mandated programs. Apparently the good ole Sgt doesn't understand health savings accounts either. Healthcare is a state responsibility, Daniels implemented a state run program in Indiana that the Hoosiers love, Romney implemented a state run program in MA that the people voted on. When did the American people vote on Obamacare? Oh, wait, Nov. 2010. Those here looking for a national healthcare program are doing so because they cannot sell their state on the program thus they want the Federal govt. that has created a 14.4 trillion dollar debt to manage healthcare nationally. That is intellectual bankruptcy

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

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    What a surprise, Sgt doesn't know the difference between state run programs and Federal mandated programs. Apparently the good ole Sgt doesn't understand health savings accounts either. Healthcare is a state responsibility, Daniels implemented a state run program in Indiana that the Hoosiers love, Romney implemented a state run program in MA that the people voted on. When did the American people vote on Obamacare? Oh, wait, Nov. 2010. Those here looking for a national healthcare program are doing so because they cannot sell their state on the program thus they want the Federal govt. that has created a 14.4 trillion dollar debt to manage healthcare nationally. That is intellectual bankruptcy
    What a surprise, Conservative is trying to take the easy way out by splitting hairs. Daniels and Romney are both on record supporting a form of health care reform that resembles Obama's. The "I support it in my state, but not nationally" argument isn't working for Romney, won't work for Daniels, and isn't working for you.

    Romney and Daniels are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, if they fully stand behind their reforms, while simultaneously bashing Obama's, they'll look like hypocrites. On the other hand, if they denounce their own reforms as mistakes, they'll look bad because they won't stand behind their own laws. Either way, they look bad. Good luck.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    If they're supporting a state-managed health care program but opposing a nationally-managed health care program then it would fall in line with the conservative's "state's rights" argument.
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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    What a surprise, Conservative is trying to take the easy way out by splitting hairs. Daniels and Romney are both on record supporting a form of health care reform that resembles Obama's. The "I support it in my state, but not nationally" argument isn't working for Romney, won't work for Daniels, and isn't working for you.

    Romney and Daniels are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, if they fully stand behind their reforms, while simultaneously bashing Obama's, they'll look like hypocrites. On the other hand, if they denounce their own reforms as mistakes, they'll look bad because they won't stand behind their own laws. Either way, they look bad. Good luck.
    Most people support healthcare reform but not NATIONAL HEALTHCARE mandated by the Federal Govt. Most people, unlike you, understand that healthcare is a personal responsibility. The people of MA said they wanted state run universal healthcare and voted on it. I have no problem with that. I have no problem if your state wants to do it as well. Why should the Federal taxpayer pay for it. Do you know how pays for ER services in your state? YOU DO, not another state. Under national healthcare the federal taxpayer funds those costs. The only hypocrit here are the Obama supporters who want to compare state healthcare with national healthcare. 26 states filed suit against that Federal mandate and the Supreme Court will decide. I believe they will decide in favor of the states.

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