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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    My thumbs up is better than your thumb up your ass.
    Your limp response is about as effective as Winstons...so...birds of a feather I reckon.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    That's why I won't answer your question. I never said that the fed gov't should pay for my insurance. Never. I said that it's the fed's and state's responsibility to provide for the general welfare of its citizens by providing adequate, affordable health care. Notice the word 'affordable'. That implies that something is paid for. I didn't say free, I said 'affordable'.

    And yes, you did say that the '10 elections were a mandate on Democrats for their HC reform law. Then I said you were wrong and you disagreed. Then I proved you wrong in post #70. And now you're walking back your comments.
    There you go again using words that have different meanings to different people and you want to set the definition? First of all providing for the general welfare is open to interpretation for what is general welfare and how do you provide for it. I contend that by making conditions favorable for competition you create a favorable atmosphere for cost effective welfare programs. I don't believe it is the Federal Government's role to provide for your personal responsibility issues including healthcare.

    Then there is the word affordable. What is affordable to me is different that what is affordable to you so why don't you define affordable? Probably for the same reason liberals never provide a definition for what is one's fair share or a fair wage. Are you worried about what is affordable to the companies that employ people, pay taxes, contribute to charity, and pay dividends to investors? Do you worry about what is affordable to companies that have to pay for govt. regulations and for frivilous lawsuits? If you cared about affordable you would attack costs as much as you attack revenue because you never understand profit margin and what makes up that margin. So until you define affordable and apply that to each individual's own personal finances which you don't know you have zero credibility.

    As for the elections your poll showed a large percentage that counted healthcare as a factor and yet you ignore that the Republicans had record gains in the states and local communities which show that the majority in this country understand better the liberal lies and now who Barack Obama is. I knew it by looking at his resume. Millions today are finally looking at his results. Barack Obama's social engineering, massive debt creation, massive expansion in the govt. and it role is unsustainable and thus unaffordable to the taxpayers.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You sure have a funny way of looking at things. The point of the article is not that Democrats are complaining that Obamacare is too far to the right.
    no, that's merely the entertaining result of the attempt to give Republicans the poison kiss on this - although there are in fact many democrats who do complain that Obamacare is too far to the right. Part of the Democrat Party's shift left even as the nation has shifted right.

    The point is that Republicans like Daniels and Romney don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing Obama over his health care reform law. Romney's law was the blueprint for Obama's law, and Daniels pushed for similar reforms and also accepted Obamacare funds. Nice attempt at deflection, though.
    I linked what Daniels pushed for when it came to healthcare reform. I can only assume you didn't read it, however, the punchline is: Romney's reform is indeed very similar to Obamacare. Daniels' reforms were in the opposite direction - towards privatization. The man never "pushed" in Indiana for a mandate, he put in place HSA's; and he gave people the choice whether or not to take them - no mandate. Daniels does not now and never has supported the notion that the government should force people to purchase health insurance.

    ...Daniels added that he didn’t agree that “as a matter of either good health care policy or, frankly, our constitutional liberties, that government at any level should be ordering Americans to buy a given product.”...
    huh. somehow that got left out of your article.
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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Apparently you don't understand the concept. Promoting competition is what the Federal Govt. should be doing, not mandating a Federal Healthcare program or even a State program that is similar. Why do you believe it is my responsibility to pay for your health insurance and vice versa?
    Yesterday, you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    First you open up competition in all states and allow insurance to be sold across state lines...
    Today, each of the states has the right to allow any healthcare insurance to be sold in their state. To get them all to sell across state lines the Federal Government would need to do this, this is what YOU advocated.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yesterday, you said this:



    Today, each of the states has the right to allow any healthcare insurance to be sold in their state. To get them all to sell across state lines the Federal Government would need to do this, this is what YOU advocated.
    Not sure how to explain it to you but that is allowing for competition not a govt. mandate for insurance

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure how to explain it to you but that is allowing for competition not a govt. mandate for insurance
    You can't explain it, because you don't know what you're talking about. Each and every state has the right to allow any health insurance company to sell in their state - in other words its the states that are stopping this competition, not the Federal Government.


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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    that is correct. state level politicians are currently paid well by the insurance agencies in their borders to keep those borders sealed. however, breaking these kind of trade restrictions between the states is precisely why we gave the Congress the right to regulate interstate congress. They don't have to knock down the restrictions, but they have the legitimate right to, and it would go far towards lowering health insurance prices. That is what Conservative is talking about.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is correct. state level politicians are currently paid well by the insurance agencies in their borders to keep those borders sealed. however, breaking these kind of trade restrictions between the states is precisely why we gave the Congress the right to regulate interstate congress. They don't have to knock down the restrictions, but they have the legitimate right to, and it would go far towards lowering health insurance prices. That is what Conservative is talking about.

    interstate congress? Great now I can't of the word you actually meant

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    interstate commerce. that's what i get for typing while listening to the news next up, how did the president's speech play in israel.

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    Re: Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interstate commerce. that's what i get for typing while listening to the news next up, how did the president's speech play in israel.

    It finally popped in my head.

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