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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, the Daily Caller made it look bad by misreprsenting the facts. Here now is actually why more waivers went to the San Francisco area:

    "WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) played no role in the process by which health care waivers were granted to a number of businesses in her district, according to the company that actually requested the waivers on behalf of its clients.

    Flex-Plan Services, a third-party benefits administrator based in Bellevue, Wash., made the formal applications for waivers from President Barack Obama's health care law, said it founder, Hilarie Aitken.

    "I don’t tend to vote Democratic, but I feel bad for Nancy Pelosi," Aitken told HuffPost. "She’s really being thrown under the bus here. It has nothing to do with her at all. This was just a political power play. The way that they are shaping this -- that the minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, [is behind] all these waivers being granted, and how could she do this -- it’s all slanted and wrong".

    The admission deals a blow to the implication made Tuesday morning by the Daily Caller: It claimed Democratic lawmakers were effectively exempting businesses in their districts from the more onerous requirements of the presidential health care law. This was based on the fact that, of the 204 waiver requests that were approved in April, 38 were for restaurants, nightclubs or hotels in Pelosi's district.

    “It looks like ObamaCare’s backroom sweetheart deals didn’t end when it became law,” said Michael Steel, the spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), in a second Daily Caller story.

    In actuality, Aitken explained, the high percentage of waivers is the byproduct of local law rubbing against the new national legislation. In April 2008, San Francisco passed an ordinance requiring employers to spend a minimum amount per hour on health care for their employees who work in the city. In response, a number of eateries chose to set up Health Reimbursement Arrangements, which are essentially pools of funds set aside by employers to reimburse medical expenses paid by employees.

    HRAs are serviced by a third-party administrator or plan service provider. They are also subject to the annual limit provision in the national health care law, which is set at $750,000 in 2011 before it is eliminated fully in 2014."
    Nancy Pelosi Is Being 'Thrown Under The Bus,' Says Company That Requested Health Care Waivers
    completely immaterial.

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, the Daily Caller made it look bad by misreprsenting the facts. Here now is actually why more waivers went to the San Francisco area:

    "WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) played no role in the process by which health care waivers were granted to a number of businesses in her district, according to the company that actually requested the waivers on behalf of its clients.

    Flex-Plan Services, a third-party benefits administrator based in Bellevue, Wash., made the formal applications for waivers from President Barack Obama's health care law, said it founder, Hilarie Aitken.

    "I don’t tend to vote Democratic, but I feel bad for Nancy Pelosi," Aitken told HuffPost. "She’s really being thrown under the bus here. It has nothing to do with her at all. This was just a political power play. The way that they are shaping this -- that the minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, [is behind] all these waivers being granted, and how could she do this -- it’s all slanted and wrong".

    The admission deals a blow to the implication made Tuesday morning by the Daily Caller: It claimed Democratic lawmakers were effectively exempting businesses in their districts from the more onerous requirements of the presidential health care law. This was based on the fact that, of the 204 waiver requests that were approved in April, 38 were for restaurants, nightclubs or hotels in Pelosi's district.

    “It looks like ObamaCare’s backroom sweetheart deals didn’t end when it became law,” said Michael Steel, the spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), in a second Daily Caller story.

    In actuality, Aitken explained, the high percentage of waivers is the byproduct of local law rubbing against the new national legislation. In April 2008, San Francisco passed an ordinance requiring employers to spend a minimum amount per hour on health care for their employees who work in the city. In response, a number of eateries chose to set up Health Reimbursement Arrangements, which are essentially pools of funds set aside by employers to reimburse medical expenses paid by employees.

    HRAs are serviced by a third-party administrator or plan service provider. They are also subject to the annual limit provision in the national health care law, which is set at $750,000 in 2011 before it is eliminated fully in 2014."
    Nancy Pelosi Is Being 'Thrown Under The Bus,' Says Company That Requested Health Care Waivers
    Thanks for the article and link.
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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

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    completely immaterial.
    What is matierial is that the implication that these businesses were somehow getting special treatment by Pelosi is incorrect.
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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    So why cant other businesses do the same thing? Why outlaw the health plan and allow waivers? Why not scrap that provision entirely and allow that sort of health plan for anyone that wants them?

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So why cant other businesses do the same thing? Why outlaw the health plan and allow waivers? Why not scrap that provision entirely and allow that sort of health plan for anyone that wants them?
    Obama has offered an option for every state to develop their own health care plan as long as they cover as many people as affordably as the Congressional HCR, so far only one state has taken him up on this option.
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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Go ahead and look up the legal status of HSAs, after the healthcare act. Your statement is full of holes.

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Vermont advances to be the first state to take advantage of the opt-out provision of the Federal HCR:

    "April 26, 2011 — Vermont is closer to becoming the first state in the country with something akin to a single-payer healthcare system after today's 21 to 9 vote by the state Senate to approve the plan.

    The measure, which preserves a role for private insurers alongside a single giant public plan, passed easily last month in the state House. However, because the state Senate amended what it received from the state House, the bill will likely go to a legislative conference committee for a final rewording, and then back to each chamber for one more vote, which could happen next week. Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin is expected to sign the measure into law at that time.

    The concept of a single-payer system — in which all citizens are insured by a single payer — seems to have won over a majority of Vermont lawmakers, but not a majority of Vermont physicians. Of roughly 600 physicians who completed a recent online survey conducted by Democratic state Rep. George Till, MD, 44.2% support the single-payer concept, and 45.6% oppose it. In addition, 28.4% say they would likely stop practicing medicine in Vermont if such a plan gets off the ground.

    The survey, criticized by some as unreliable because nonphysicians were able to participate covertly, also revealed a division between primary care physicians and their specialist peers with regard to Vermont-style healthcare reform. According to the survey, almost 62% of primary care physicians back the single-payer concept, whereas 56.5% of specialists oppose it. Nationally, organized medicine split along similar lines when it came to passage of federal healthcare reform in 2010. Both in Vermont and across the country, primary care physicians generally view their financial prospects as improving under healthcare reform, whereas specialists fear the opposite.

    Vermont will not be the first state where lawmakers have enacted a single-payer system — that distinction belongs to California. However, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed such legislation twice, so the system was never implemented in that state.

    Vermont Plan Hinges on Affordable Care Act Opt-Out

    Even though a single-payer system — or, rather, a hybrid version of such a system — is on the verge of becoming Vermont law, it will not become a reality for a number of years, and state officials and lawmakers must take intermediary steps to make it happen.

    As a prelude to a single-payer system, the legislation gets Vermont in sync with the new federal healthcare reform law known as the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The ACA requires states to set up so-called health insurance exchanges by 2014, through which individuals and small businesses can purchase coverage, with federal subsidies for those in need. The Vermont bill establishes such a state exchange for insurance shoppers.

    Under the bill, the exchange created for the ACA could turn into a single-payer plan called Green Mountain Care, which would offer coverage to all Vermont residents. As the ACA reads now, states wishing to implement their own version of healthcare reform can begin to do so in 2017, provided they obtained a federal waiver. Such states must demonstrate that their plan would extend comprehensive and affordable health coverage to just as many people as the ACA, and not increase the federal deficit. They would then receive all the federal funds they would have been otherwise entitled to under the ACA.

    Vermont may not need to wait until 2017 to opt out of ACA requirements and offer Green Mountain Care to its citizens, however. A bill sponsored by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and awaiting Senate consideration would move the opt-out year up to 2014."

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Such states must demonstrate that their plan would extend comprehensive and affordable health coverage to just as many people as the ACA, and not increase the federal deficit. They would then receive all the federal funds they would have been otherwise entitled to under the ACA.
    Thats just it, HSAs are not covered because they are not considered comprehensive by the ACA. This is despite the fact that they are adequate coverage for younger people without a lot of health issues; essential catastrophic coverage.

    Secondly, the idea of waivers to a law is pretty contrary to the way the law is applied, equal justice and all that. I realize that concept is broken all the time. Maybe it shouldn't be.

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    Re: Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are..... fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosií

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats just it, HSAs are not covered because they are not considered comprehensive by the ACA. This is despite the fact that they are adequate coverage for younger people without a lot of health issues; essential catastrophic coverage.

    Secondly, the idea of waivers to a law is pretty contrary to the way the law is applied, equal justice and all that. I realize that concept is broken all the time. Maybe it shouldn't be.
    Are you talking about the San Francisco waivers?

    The reason the waivers were granted was to resolve two conflicting laws. "Flex-Plan Services, a third-party benefits administrator based in Bellevue, Wash., made the formal applications for waivers from President Barack Obama's health care law, said it founder, Hilarie Aitken." "Aitken explained, the high percentage of waivers is the byproduct of local law rubbing against the new national legislation. In April 2008, San Francisco passed an ordinance requiring employers to spend a minimum amount per hour on health care for their employees who work in the city. In response, a number of eateries chose to set up Health Reimbursement Arrangements, which are essentially pools of funds set aside by employers to reimburse medical expenses paid by employees.

    HRAs are serviced by a third-party administrator or plan service provider. They are also subject to the annual limit provision in the national health care law, which is set at $750,000 in 2011 before it is eliminated fully in 2014."
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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