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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This was back when this idea was considered a free-market and pro-capitalist way to reform healthcare and cap-and-trade was considered a free market way to eliminate sulfur in the atmosphere.

    Now, those same ideas that were once proposed and supported by conservatives are considered to be radical Commie ideas. Because Obama thought they were good ideas. Therefore, they are Commie ideas, and NOT free-market, capitalist ideas.
    I don't recall cons ever proposing anything like Obamacare or Hillarycare, and cons like Schlafly and Bozell were very vocal in their warnings to Gingrich and Dole about conservative opposition to any compromise with the Clintons on HC reform.

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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Newt never really had a chance. Actually, I'm afraid Mitt "Next guy in line" will get the nod, and that's a real shame.
    Oddly, while I would have phrased it differently, I agree with MrV on this. Romney feels the most likely choice, despite the fact he does not really represent mainstream republicans that well these days. He feels like a give up candidate, given the nod simply because unseating a sitting president is unlikely and it's his turn and it gets him out of the picture for the serious election in 2016.
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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I don't recall cons ever proposing anything like Obamacare or Hillarycare, and cons like Schlafly and Bozell were very vocal in their warnings to Gingrich and Dole about conservative opposition to any compromise with the Clintons on HC reform.
    The insurance mandate was considered a market-based way of opposing health-care reform during the Clinton administration.

    Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate : NPR
    Conservatives Run From the Individual Mandate They Once Embraced - John A. Farrell (usnews.com)

    It was an idea originated at the Heritage Foundation in 1989 and Republicans TWICE introduced alternative health care reform bills that included the insurance mandate.
    History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform - ProCon.org

    Cap and Trade was introduced by Republicans to clean up sulfur from the air (remember acid rain)? It was a right-wing, market-base solution (before it wasn't).
    Remember when Republicans liked cap-and-trade? | Grist

    This is why I don't buy any of this. This is what Republicans do. Come up with an idea, call it good. When people agree with them, then they have to run further right and pretend that people who think their idea is good are actually Commies and Pinkos out to destroy America.

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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Newt is normally a very intelligent person but he was never going to get my vote because he cheated on his wife, made a Cap and Trade commercial with Pelosi and much more.

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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It looks like he is saying something from your links.
    Meet the Press Press Release

    On healthcare and the individual mandate: “I agree that all of us have a responsibility to... help pay for healthcare.”

    DAVID GREGORY: Now I know you've got big differences with what you call Obamacare, but back in 1993 on this program this is what you said about the individual mandate. Watch.

    GINGRICH ON VIDEO [1993]: “I am for people -- individuals, exactly like automobile insurance, individuals -- having health insurance and being required to have health insurance and I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy -- so ensure that everyone as individuals have health insurance.”

    DAVID GREGORY: What you advocate there is precisely what President Obama did with his healthcare legislation, is it not?

    NEWT GINGRICH: No. It's not precisely what he did. Fir-- in the first place, Obama basically is trying to replace the entire insurance system. Creating state exchange. Building a Washington-based model. Creating a federal system. I believe all of us-- and this is going to be a big debate. I believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for healthcare. I think the idea that you--

    DAVID GREGORY: You agree with Mitt Romney on this point?

    NEWT GINGRICH: Yeah, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay-- help pay for healthcare. And-- and I think that-- there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I've said consistently-- where there's some requirement you either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you're going to be held accountable.
    The odd thing here is folks (mostly on the Right) are acting like Newt's position is something new. It's not. He made the exact same claim in one of his recent books. This is only a shock to those (on the Right) who weren't paying attention.
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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    But Gingrich called it right when he said that the Ryan plan was an attempt at "social engineering". For that, he will most likely be called a radical hippie commie Liberal now.
    well, according to ye olde Wiki Page: all political campaigns are social engineering:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Wiki
    Social engineering is a discipline in political science that refers to efforts to influence popular attitudes and social behaviors on a large scale, whether by governments or private groups. In the political arena, the counterpart of social engineering is political engineering.

    For various reasons, the term has been imbued with negative connotations. However, virtually all law and governance has the effect of changing behavior and can be considered "social engineering" to some extent. Prohibitions on murder, rape, suicide and littering are all policies aimed at discouraging undesirable behaviors. In British and Canadian jurisprudence, changing public attitudes about a behaviour is accepted as one of the key functions of laws prohibiting it. Governments also influence behavior more subtly through incentives and disincentives built into economic policy and tax policy, for instance, and have done so for centuries....
    So, what Newt is basically doing is finding some negative verbage, and throwing it out there. Hooray, he got headlines, I guess that's what he wanted. He did adopt the "let's just cut waste fraud and abuse" line, which is even to the left of the Obama Administration's approach to Medicare (as i recall it's Nancy Pelosi's); and so Gingrich will (rightly) get hammered on that, as well as getting hammered on undercutting all but four Republicans in the House of Representatives and giving Democrats in every district their lead campaign ad in order to get his name back in the headlines.

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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Newt is normally a very intelligent person but he was never going to get my vote because he cheated on his wife, made a Cap and Trade commercial with Pelosi and much more.
    he's smart, but he's personally unstable. The kind of guy that you want in the backroom coming up with ideas, but not ever in a leadership position where people depend on him.

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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think this would get Gingrich called a radical hippie liberal.
    Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance
    Yep, lets throw Richard Nixon, Mitt Romney, Orin Hatch, Bob Dole, Chuck Grassley and the Heritage Foundation in the mix of radical hippie liberals.... given they all suggested and/or endorsed the mandate.

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe

    http://healthcarereform.procon.org/v...ourceID=004182

    http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4896&type=0

    http://healthcarereform.procon.org/s..._1743_1993.pdf

    With everyone being deemed a radical hippie liberal, perhaps we have our perspective all wrong and those that think these people are radical hippie liberals are just wacko right-wingers that have lost touch with reality (and humanity).
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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Newt is normally a very intelligent person but he was never going to get my vote because he cheated on his wife, made a Cap and Trade commercial with Pelosi and much more.
    That commecial was a killer for him in my opinion. It made my jaw drop.
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    Re: Krauthammer on Gingrich's Presidential Aspirations: "Now it's Over"

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm happy that the Newt is being exposed as the two-faced ass-hat that he is. But in reality, he doesn't have a chance no matter what he says. Though I would absolutely love to see him win the Republican nomination.
    What difference does it make, you'll still vote for your two-faced ass-hat anyway.
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