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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our ancestors wrote uor history. We can't ingore it or pretend it didn't happen. My grandfater was a KKK member. I loved the man, but was ashamed of this aspect of his life. I was never such a member, but my care for him led me to have a feeling. What you feel nothing about you can't love.

    However, I think you misunderstand a lot. It isn't that I, or many others I suspect, sit around crying about the past. it is merely when we look back and assess what our ancestors did that we have paused to remember and to some degree critque and feel. But the facts are the facts. The US (as you have some silly problem with the word we) did allow slavery and Americans did own slaves. There is no way around that fact.
    Yes...the US did...as did the rest of the world. My ancestry came here from Denmark in 1887. Pretty sure they had slaves too. I hear we have some family blood that is pretty well connected there still but Im betting money if I hopped a flight there and said howdy my ass wouldnt get invted into the palace. I dont OWN their legacy, good, or bad. I dont FEAR the legacy of slavery in the US, nor do I feel shame over it. It is a reality. We learn from history. Thats ALL we can do. thats why I have said consistently that the COMPLETE history of slavery here in the Americas and around the world throughout time should be taught. All of it. People need to stop cringing in guilt over the actions of others and stop claiming this mindless unrightous indignation over attrocities they werent party too. Seriously...how many more generations do you want to see labor under guilt or victimhood? Good lord, dood. Northern states banned slavery before we became a country. The importation of slaves was banned in what...1810? Slavery as a practice was banned over 150 years ago. thats a good 8 generations. Accept history as what it is, learn from it and move forward already.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    I'd think that modern African Americans would be glad that the US once had slaves.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes...the US did...as did the rest of the world. My ancestry came here from Denmark in 1887. Pretty sure they had slaves too. I hear we have some family blood that is pretty well connected there still but Im betting money if I hopped a flight there and said howdy my ass wouldnt get invted into the palace. I dont OWN their legacy, good, or bad. I dont FEAR the legacy of slavery in the US, nor do I feel shame over it. It is a reality. We learn from history. Thats ALL we can do. thats why I have said consistently that the COMPLETE history of slavery here in the Americas and around the world throughout time should be taught. All of it. People need to stop cringing in guilt over the actions of others and stop claiming this mindless unrightous indignation over attrocities they werent party too. Seriously...how many more generations do you want to see labor under guilt or victimhood? Good lord, dood. Northern states banned slavery before we became a country. The importation of slaves was banned in what...1810? Slavery as a practice was banned over 150 years ago. thats a good 8 generations. Accept history as what it is, learn from it and move forward already.
    Yes, others did. So? Exactly what difference does it make that others did?

    And no one needs suffer under guilt or victimhood. Honesty doesn't have to have either of those attached. You're making leaps.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, others did. So? Exactly what difference does it make that others did?

    And no one needs suffer under guilt or victimhood. Honesty doesn't have to have either of those attached. You're making leaps.
    Perspective is rather important when you are teaching and attempting to understand history.

    Dood...you are the one rolling in shame over others activities...not me.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perspective is rather important when you are teaching and attempting to understand history.

    Dood...you are the one rolling in shame over others activities...not me.
    Rolling over in shame? Why the hyperbole?

    Yes, perspective is important, but it doesn't make something right. It was still wrong on all kinds of levels. And noting that is not equal to rolling in shame.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Rolling over in shame? Why the hyperbole?

    Yes, perspective is important, but it doesn't make something right. It was still wrong on all kinds of levels. And noting that is not equal to rolling in shame.
    Indeed...why DO you feel ashamed of a past in which you played no part?

    Not trying to make something 'right'. Studying history isnt about judgement of right or wrong. It is simply the examination of what was, how it impacted us then and now and what can we learn to ensure tomorrow is a better day.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Indeed...why DO you feel ashamed of a past in which you played no part?

    Not trying to make something 'right'. Studying history isnt about judgement of right or wrong. It is simply the examination of what was, how it impacted us then and now and what can we learn to ensure tomorrow is a better day.
    As I saiod, because I care. Now, I'm not rolling over in shame, but because I care for the coutry as it is, not needing to pretend the country is something it isn't, I look at wrong and call it what is. And yes, judgements are amde concerning history. A good historian reports the facts, records them, but people make judgements about the facts. That is called critical thinking.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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