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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Haha. No. At this point in history, if a slave is legal in England, it's legal in the colonies and vise versa.
    And yet "John Casor (surname also recorded as Cazara and Corsala[1]), a servant in Northampton County in the Virginia Colony, in 1654 became the first person of African descent in the Thirteen Colonies to be declared by the county court a slave for life.[2]"

    Now...granted I dont have copies of slave holder journals but that sure does seem to indicate he wasnt the first to be owned by a black man (read that a few times for effect...slaves...owned by black men. Right here in America), but the first person declared to be a slave for life. Not an indentured servant...a slave for life. And his massa...well...now he was a black man wasnt he.

    So we can play this all night or we can accept that blacks owned slaves throughout time. Whites owned slaves. America in its infancy had the benefit of learning from the growth achieved by other countries. Where slavery was enacted for 700 years in England, the importation of slaves was banned in America in 1808, a scant 20 years after the formation as a country. States had banned the practice before we became a country...yes...actions made by our 'founding fathers.' Its a shame that the lessons of humanity learned by most of the world by the 1800's still hasnt been learned where slavery is still practiced today. Old habits die hard, dont they.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm sorry, but it sounds to me like the tea party wants the whole truth told. They're tired of kids being taught that the Founders were nothing but a bunch of racists. I was taught that the 3/5 Compromise was put in the Constitution because white people didn't think blacks were fully human. Do you understand how twisted that is to teach a child that? It's twisting history for an agenda.
    I was never taught the founders were racist and loathed equality... Some of them owned slaves. That's a ****ing fact. Are you denying that????

    I am also disturbed that you are a teacher.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    No, it didn't.

    I find it very interesting that some people are refusing to give black people who helped found this country any credit. It's almost as though you think they were all puppets and just "helped" because they had to. It's almost as though you think all black people hated white people back then and vice versa. It's almost as though you think all the white founders were racist. Weird....

    A partner conversation to this could be the "Civil Rights Era" which didn't start in the 1960s, but most people think it did.
    It's one thing to honor them for their sacrifice as soldiers... It's another to point out that sacrifice and pretend like they didn't have it so bad afterall, or downplay the fact that some founders did own slaves. What those soldiers did and why, and their motives is irrelevant to your attempt to turn it into an issue about the people who signed the Declaration of Independence. If Jefferson and Washington weren't out there on the battle field with them and wrapping their wounds, breaking bread, risking their life for their their's, and burying them side by side with the whites then their sacrifice doesn't have **** to do with the signers of the DoI.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I've already answered your question. Calm down. It wasn't just signers of our Declaration of Independence that helped found our country.
    You are using a very unconventional definition of what being a founder means... Basically, every Joe Schmoe who polished a gun during the Revolution is a founder. I pretty much detest the trivialization of words for any purpose, and this is no exception. What do you propose we call the traditional founders... the visionaries and philosophers who actually signed of the Declaration of Independence and the people responsible for writing the Constitution now?

    If you want to point out that some slaves fought in the war, that's one thing... playing semantics is another.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And yet "John Casor (surname also recorded as Cazara and Corsala[1]), a servant in Northampton County in the Virginia Colony, in 1654 became the first person of African descent in the Thirteen Colonies to be declared by the county court a slave for life.[2]"
    I'll highlight the important part for you. Do you read your own posts after you write them? Here is your statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack
    Any other case broguht before the colonial commonwealth?
    Now, I don't know what you think the "colonial commonwealth" means but as far as history is concerned it means all of Imperial England's territories. As British slavery laws applied to EVERY SINGLE COLONY, including the 13 colonies, what do you think are the implications of a imperial case legalizing the institution of slavery in the colonies 50+ years before Jonson v. Parker?

    I'll wait for you to put 2 and 2 together.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You live in South Korea, and don't already know that your neighbors to the north are slaves of the government?

    How can that be?
    Oh sorry. Thought you meant the south....
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont excuse it justify it, nor frankly care about it. Slavery was a product of the worlds history. This inane focus on American slavery and the founding fathers is stupid. Teach it all. And its beyond comical that you wade in on a discussion about slavery in America, then when it is pointed out that your own folk engaged in the same behavior you bleat about some 'attack'.
    Of course, the US wasn't the only country to have a history full of slaves. Of course, my own country had slaves, which I am ashamed of. Yet I don't denied it, unlike the Tea Partiers. Yet you pressed on the issue about Korean slaves, so if that isn't an attack, then what is it? Did I say that the US was the only slave-owning country in history?
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Here's a pretty graphic photo of the two Koreas, the free south and the enslaved north, taken at night from a satellite.

    It only marginally relates to the topic, but is an interesting contrast anyway.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll highlight the important part for you. Do you read your own posts after you write them? Here is your statement:



    Now, I don't know what you think the "colonial commonwealth" means but as far as history is concerned it means all of Imperial England's territories. As British slavery laws applied to EVERY SINGLE COLONY, including the 13 colonies, what do you think are the implications of a imperial case legalizing the institution of slavery in the colonies 50+ years before Jonson v. Parker?

    I'll wait for you to put 2 and 2 together.
    You dance like a drunken Hillbilly...badly. In the colonies...the FIRST CASE brought before the commonwealth AND the first known slave was awarded via the Johnson Casor case. Johnson...Freed indentured servant (and a black man) sued for the lifetime OWNERSHIP of another man (who happened to be black) and was awarded ownership in the FIRST case of outright slavery in the colonies. Teach that. And teach everyone else in the world that practiced slavery. Throughout history. Make sure native Americans know their history. Make sure Hispanic folk know their history. Make sure black folk know their history. Make sure they teach who STILL practices slavery today, just as strongly as they teach who practiced slavery long before there ever WHERE European colonies in America.

    Spin it like you spin yer sister...it still aint gonna be nuthin more than reality, dood.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Of course, the US wasn't the only country to have a history full of slaves. Of course, my own country had slaves, which I am ashamed of. Yet I don't denied it, unlike the Tea Partiers. Yet you pressed on the issue about Korean slaves, so if that isn't an attack, then what is it? Did I say that the US was the only slave-owning country in history?
    I said the same thing about ANYONE that wnats to deny hyistory as I said about the Koreans...teach EVERYTHING! Make sure the youth are taught not only that the Founding Fathers inherited and for a time continued the tradition of slavery but make sure they understand it was the way of the whole world...and yes...even in your little slice of heaven. I dont think they should selectively teach it ANYWHERE and I challenge you to find even a hint of that on anything I posted.

    Im sorry you are ashamed at your history. I will tell you plainly that I am not.

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