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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    There's nothing wrong Alfons, at least from you point of view which a human must qualify as a Western Christian
    Holy crap...did you realize that slavery in Korea didnt end until 1894??? That Koreans engaged in slavery and human trafficking like all other peoples??? WTF??? I though that was solely an American thing begat by the founding fathers...who freqin knew???

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Half of the people of Korea are still slaves. There is just one slave owner, but a lot of slaves.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anthony Johnson was the first person in the colonies to petition the commonwealth courts for the right to ownership of another human being.
    That's not what Johnson v Casor did. At all. Johnson's case involved whether or not he had indenture of a worker and his case pretty common at the time. What the case established was that blacks could in fact become slave owners. Slavery in the colonies was legal previous to that as its legality was established by the British not the commonwealth of Virginia. The mere fact that they were importing them by the boatload before Johnson v Casor should be all the proof one needs to determine whether or not slavery was legal.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Blacks and women couldn't vote, but to say that ALL blacks and ALL women, and all indentured servants were just along for the ride is the true ignorance being displayed here...
    I've clearly stated that they weren't along for the ride. Were they supporters? Sure. Did they help expand the territory? Yes. Did they take part in fighting wars? Yes. Does any of that make them founders? No.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Holy crap part two...did you know that slavery not only existed in Africa long before the US continent was even FOUND by white Europeans (accepting of course the known reality that white Europeans only stumbled upon the continent accidentally but that aboriginal people were already here and PRACTICED SLAVERY) but that it is still commonly engaged in today??? Today...in AFRICA of all places!!! Not only that but that people in Africa slaughter each other by the millions with TODAY??? Who freqin knew??? Why isnt this more widely taught???

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what Johnson v Casor did. At all. Johnson's case involved whether or not he had indenture of a worker and his case pretty common at the time. What the case established was that blacks could in fact become slave owners. Slavery in the colonies was legal previous to that as its legality was established by the British not the commonwealth of Virginia. The mere fact that they were importing them by the boatload before Johnson v Casor should be all the proof one needs to determine whether or not slavery was legal.
    Simple fact of life, Hatuey...every nation...every people...practiced slavery. The Founding Fathers were not immune to the pracitces handed down to them by colonial law and deny it all you want...maybe you can produce the previous case Johnson brought before the commonwealth courts that allowed for slavery.

    Im all for tewaching history...every side of it...every angle of it. Teach the brutal history of white European slavery in America...just make sure ytyou also teach the brutal history of Indiuan slavery ling befoire there were white Europeans in America, and make sure you teach the brutal history of slavery in every other country. And by all means...teach what Africans have ALWAYS done and still do today.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Half of the people of Korea are still slaves. There is just one slave owner, but a lot of slaves.
    I understand your meaning but I think that dillutes the reality that Koreans were slave owners. Just as Brits...Arabs...Africans...Phillipinos...etc etc etc.

    The only reason people promote certain segments of history is because they know how stupid their arguments look if they actually teach ALL of history. And I do not for some reason see an emphasis on the new England colonies and their attitude toward slavery even PRIOR to the formation of the country. Again...agendas...evil nasty little things.

    Teach it all.

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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    maybe you can produce the previous case Johnson brought before the commonwealth courts that allowed for slavery.
    Here is a British case establishing the status of a slave when entering England:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery...anley_v_Harvey

    1729:

    However, the decisions of Holt had caused sufficient consternation as to the legal status of slaves that some slave owners sought clarity of the law. In 1729 various slave owners obtained the Yorke–Talbot slavery opinion made by the Crown's principal law officers at one of the Inns of Court.[16] The law officers opined that under English law (i) a slave's status did not change when he came to England,[17] (ii) a slave could be compelled to return to the colonies from England, and (iii) that baptism would not manumit a slave. The opinion cited no authorities, and set out no legal rationale for the views expressed in it, but it was widely published and relied upon. One of the authors of the opinion, Lord Hardwicke (although at the time he was only known as Philip Yorke), subsequently endorsed the views expressed in the opinion (although not expressly referring to it) whilst sitting in judicial capacity in Pearne v Lisle (1749) Amb 75, 27 ER 47. The case revolved around title to fourteen slaves who were in Antigua, and involved a number of technical points as to colonial law. But Lord Hardwicke held that slavery was not contrary to English law, and that as the common law of England applied at the time to Antigua, that slavery was not unlawful in Antigua.[18]
    The legality of slavery in the colonies was established by the British. Not by Johnson v Parker. We simply held on to the tradition and even fought 2 wars because of it.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I understand your meaning but I think that dillutes the reality that Koreans were slave owners. Just as Brits...Arabs...Africans...Phillipinos...etc etc etc.

    The only reason people promote certain segments of history is because they know how stupid their arguments look if they actually teach ALL of history. And I do not for some reason see an emphasis on the new England colonies and their attitude toward slavery even PRIOR to the formation of the country. Again...agendas...evil nasty little things.

    Teach it all.
    Oh, yes, the human race has a long and proud history of slavery, as well as torture, and of warfare, with the history books being written by the slavers, the torturers, and the winners of the warfare.

    So, by all means, let's do teach it all. People who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it, after all.
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    Re: Tenn. Tea Party Wants Slavery Removed From Textbooks?

    This is further evidence that the Tea Party are just right wing progressives who wish to use the government to impose their own particular viewpoint. Limited government? Yeah right! They are nothing but the Obamas of the far right.

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