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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is a stupid argument.

    If no one made money from things that weren't under patent protection, many of the things you take for granted, wouldn't exist at all.
    You'd have no access to all the foods, chemicals and the multitude of things that no longer have patent protections.
    People are motivated purely by profit, what they can gain from it, not by what could benefit mankind. That was my point, and I doubt it was a stupid argument-especially since you practically made my point. As far as the things I take for granted, personally, I feel like the world would be better off without the materialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    it isnt so hard to believe some people would do such a thing. Say 20 or so people learn of this great new idea, but also know it would harm them financially. sure, they might all agree to keep quiet.

    but we aren't talking about 20 people. We are talking about mankind. This study has been in peer review journals. it's ludicrious.
    of course they would.

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    And why is that a bad thing?

    Most of the random stuff in our lives is not really necessary or needed.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    People are motivated purely by profit, what they can gain from it, not by what could benefit mankind. That was my point, and I doubt it was a stupid argument-especially since you practically made my point. As far as the things I take for granted, personally, I feel like the world would be better off without the materialism.
    I didn't make any point for you.
    There would be a demand for the product and there are means to produce it.

    It's still a dumb argument because it's based on....nothing.
    There is no reason someone wouldn't produce such a product.

    All the people that reject materialism, still practice materialism.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I didn't make any point for you.
    There would be a demand for the product and there are means to produce it.

    It's still a dumb argument because it's based on....nothing.
    There is no reason someone wouldn't produce such a product.
    And yet such products are still being suppressed in favor of oil. And simply claiming that an argument is dumb and based on nothing doesn't make it so.

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    All the people that reject materialism, still practice materialism.
    i doubt you have any idea what I or others here "practice."
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    This has a hiits of controversial products like kits added to your car that enhances mileage by 500 precent.

    If the research can be examined by even other major universities, and the data shows to be repeatable then it may at least get reputable media coverage.

    There is big money in holistic remedies and companies that manufacture those types of products which don't have patentable ingredents could create quite a controversy and make big pharm take serious notice.

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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    And yet such products are still being suppressed in favor of oil. And simply claiming that an argument is dumb and based on nothing doesn't make it so.



    i doubt you have any idea what I or others here "practice."
    Well, we know you have a computer or some such similar device, so...
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    And yet such products are still being suppressed in favor of oil. And simply claiming that an argument is dumb and based on nothing doesn't make it so.
    Oil is the most economically feasible energy source for transportation.
    Alternatives can't match up.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    i doubt you have any idea what I or others here "practice."
    Riiiight.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    To who? The company? Are you on about capitalism or corporatist CT?
    The CT is yours if you actually believe that a company is not all about profit and the value of prolonged treatment. Or, perhaps naivate is a better word.


    I am extreme. I'm not typical, by any measure. Don't be so Obama.
    Of course you are. Don't be so extreme.

    I don't claim it is the sole motivation, I claim it is sufficient motivation.
    Then describe what other motivations would be there.

    I make the case that the one shot is SO BIG that future payments become someone else's concern.
    And you make it poorly.

    I'm glad you once again use the word 'seems'. I was not writing that 'pure' capitalism is the only reason that this conspiracy would be exposed. I was writing that profit, alone, was sufficient enough motive to expose the conspiracy. There are other reasons, as human nature is drawn to fortune, fame and long life; however, those motives can be left aside as the mere profit motive is sufficient. To deny a whistleblower in the face of the ability to cure cancer is not much different than denying a whistleblower in the case of truther or birther.

    Now, we could discuss the other motives for exposing any such conspiracy. We can just leave it that profit alone puts this socialist propaganda into the CT section of the forum.

    Enough nonsense. Serious, don't be a CTr.

    ps. If one must play with this CT, for whatever agenda, do it with something smaller than cancer or one just looks dumb.
    And all I see is the typical naivate and inability to see the big picture of a libertarian. One issue affects many other issues. Isolating one thing from everything else is neither how society operates or how people operate... even capitalists. It's something very basic that extreme libertarians never seem to understand. The belief that things like this live in a vacuum, as you seem to be suggesting is far more like a conspiracy theory than anyting that I am saying.

    Now, if you want to discuss this seriously, I'm around. If you just want to spew silly extreme libertarianism that has no basis in reality... I'll just dismiss it.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This doesn't make sense, CC. How does finding a cure for cancer mean people won't still continue to get cancer and therefore need the treatment?
    Ummm... because the cancer would be cured. Why would you need to treat something that you no longer suffer from?

    Yes, I know, the profit motive is absolutely detestable to some, but, like it or not, it is a very effective motivator and some very good things have come about because of it.
    Try to respond to what I write. I said "profit at any cost, regardless of impact". The profit motive is certainly desirable and impacts things positively. It's not the only thing, though, that is a motivator. Also, consider what I said: profit at any cost, regardless of the imact.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Try to respond to what I write. I said "profit at any cost, regardless of impact". The profit motive is certainly desirable and impacts things positively. It's not the only thing, though, that is a motivator. Also, consider what I said: profit at any cost, regardless of the imact.
    wouldn't that actually presuppose someone taking the quick payout, as opposed to holding out for entities they likely have no relationship with?

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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ummm... because the cancer would be cured. Why would you need to treat something that you no longer suffer from?
    You may not suffer from it any longer, but that doesn't mean others won't still be afflicted and need the cure.

    Try to respond to what I write. I said "profit at any cost, regardless of impact". The profit motive is certainly desirable and impacts things positively. It's not the only thing, though, that is a motivator. Also, consider what I said: profit at any cost, regardless of the imact.
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