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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are generic manufacturers in multitude that produce this very same product, out of the patent, how is it possible for them to make money as well?
    Never said they didn't make money. But Tylenol is still a big money maker for the parent company. If the brand didn't matter, this would not be the case.

    Acetaminophen can not be patented any longer.
    So it kinda makes this whole theory a wash.
    No, as I explained, it does not.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let's also note that a cure for cancer is factors of power more profitable than ANY other 30 drugs. A cure for cancer makes you an instant billionaire and all of your investors instant millionaires. Its the boss of the level. You can go back through the level 10 times or you can kill the boss and get the same. Capitalists kill the boss, socialists send everyone back through the level endlessly.

    Statists are interested in maintaining the status quo, not capitalists.
    Not in the least. You keep developing "new" treatment drugs, that keep costing more and more. It keeps the train rolling. Once you have a cure, that's it. Nothing new. Initially, there would be lots of money to be made, but eventually, that dries up.

    And the kind of capitalism you are presenting has one purpose: profit at any cost, regardless of the impact.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Never said they didn't make money. But Tylenol is still a big money maker for the parent company. If the brand didn't matter, this would not be the case.



    No, as I explained, it does not.
    The initial knee jerk reactions were based on conspiracy theory, just like the birthers, truthers, what have you.

    If it were such a good cure for cancer, then someone will sell it.
    If not, give me a call, I'll put my whole live savings into starting the business to produce and sell it.

    Two fold benefit, I get to be the guy who cures cancer and I'll make some nice change off it.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The initial knee jerk reactions were based on conspiracy theory, just like the birthers, truthers, what have you.
    It didn't sound like conspiracy theory. Just like it was a VERY premature declaration.

    If it were such a good cure for cancer, then someone will sell it.
    If not, give me a call, I'll put my whole live savings into starting the business to produce and sell it.

    Two fold benefit, I get to be the guy who cures cancer and I'll make some nice change off it.
    Yeah, this is why I was skeptical. If it was really a cure, it would have been presented by now.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not in the least. You keep developing "new" treatment drugs, that keep costing more and more. It keeps the train rolling. Once you have a cure, that's it. Nothing new. Initially, there would be lots of money to be made, but eventually, that dries up.

    And the kind of capitalism you are presenting has one purpose: profit at any cost, regardless of the impact.
    The cure for cancer is worth as much as the entire pharmacutical industry today.

    Stop underestimating its value.


    This entire line of thought is nothing more than the emotional and misguided slander of capitalists. I heard this line of argument when I was in highschool, over 20 years ago. "Greedy capitalists prevent a cure for cancer". It was childish BS then and it's childish BS now. A cure for cancer is a capitalists dream. Instant wealth beyond imagination and all investors instant millionaires. You want to destroy the motivation for curing cancer? Remove the intellectual property rights, like a socialist would - that would end the search for a cure.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It didn't sound like conspiracy theory. Just like it was a VERY premature declaration.

    Yeah, this is why I was skeptical. If it was really a cure, it would have been presented by now.
    Just remember that because a cure is developed, doesn't mean all other instances (of the disease) both now and in the future, will cease to exist.

    The reasoning for the premature declarations are not based on logic.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The cure for cancer is worth as much as the entire pharmacutical industry today.

    Stop underestimating its value.
    Disagree. I think you are underestimating the the monetary value of prolonged treatment.


    This entire line of thought is nothing more than the emotional and misguided slander of capitalists. I heard this line of argument when I was in highschool, over 20 years ago. "Greedy capitalists prevent a cure for cancer". It was childish BS then and it's childish BS now. A cure for cancer is a capitalists dream. Instant wealth beyond imagination and all investors instant millionaires. You want to destroy the motivation for curing cancer? Remove the intellectual property rights, like a socialist would - that would end the search for a cure.
    Typical extremist. You are making my argument for me... which is really all I am doing. You seem to claim that profit is the sole motivation. If that is the case, it makes no sense for a company to eliminate a massive amount of their profits... long term profits for a one shot money-maker. You seem to be expousing is a PURE form of capitalism, which is as absurd as socialism. THAT is what I am pointing out and what you are helping me to point out.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just remember that because a cure is developed, doesn't mean all other instances (of the disease) both now and in the future, will cease to exist.
    A cure is a cure.

    The reasoning for the premature declarations are not based on logic.
    The declarations were premature. I don't think logic really had anything to do with that.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes because no start up company would market one of the most successful treatments known to man kind, nope not at all....

    Sprinkle a little news about a potential cure and you guys run with your political imaginations.
    How would you market a cure that uses medications whose patents have expired? If you could do that, you too could get into the pharma business and make a billion.


    I have nothing to contribute on the cancer cure issue. I'm not a pharmacist, nor a doctor. My point was a political one, that sure, a cancer cure would make a pharmaceutocal manufacturer many billions, but that cure would have to be patented. If it involves the use of something unpatentable the research required to bring it into clinical use would struggle to find funding. It would require non-commerical investment.

    I suspect that had the DCA found funding from some source and proved its efficacy, we would have heard about it and doctors would be using it. I just spoke to my sister, a GP and she hadn't heard of any clinical trials. What she did say is that many studies show that in the field of anti-psychotic drugs, the second generation treatments that the UK NHS is using has rapidly shown itself less effective than the first generation, many of which drugs are out of patent. Nevertheless, the 2Gs are still being used despite their cost which, on average, is 12 times the price of 1G solutions.

    I also listened to a very interesting programme on BBC Radio 4 yesterday which explains the 'decline effect', the statistical basis of the ongoing research on meds post-market-rollout. It's worth a listen. The programme generally has been a revelation to me. The series focuses on explaining the uses of statistical data in all fields and exposes some of the flummery that allows businessmen, scientists and politicians to 'prove' positions exploiting the general public's inability to understand the statistical methods employed. I do recommend it...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010xzs5
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    How would you market a cure that uses medications whose patents have expired? If you could do that, you too could get into the pharma business and make a billion.
    Because they will still need to be sold based on the typical amount used for that condition, not only that but different manufacturers will set manufacturing standards for different levels of quality, efficiency and over all chemical composition.

    There are loads of things that allow people/businesses to sell the same thing, in various ways.

    A cure is still marketable because people will still get cancer.
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