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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

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    See, don't discredit yourself. Scientists aren't English majors (as I re-read that post I cringed at my grammar mistakes haha). Once you learn the acronyms and terminology it isn't so bad.
    Yeah, I can remember the basic structure and functions of cells and organelles, so I understood most of your summary, but the cemical side of biology buggers me up, though I do remember learning that orgasms releases endorphins, which have an analgesic effect, meaning a headache is a poor excuse not to have sex.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Here's the thing that I find most disturbing about this entire thread. Do people actually believe this tripe that if a cure for cancer were found, it would be hidden so "big pharma" could keep raking in $$ on less effective treatments? I mean really? Some of you would actually believe that?
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Here's the thing that I find most disturbing about this entire thread. Do people actually believe this tripe that if a cure for cancer were found, it would be hidden so "big pharma" could keep raking in $$ on less effective treatments? I mean really? Some of you would actually believe that?
    Maybe they haven't considered that hundreds of "Big Pharma" executives are themselves subject to getting cancer... and so are their wives, children, parents, siblings, friends, cousins... and if the "cure" was made available only for the big shots and their families, that would still be thousands of people.... you couldn't keep it quiet. If you give The Cure to your wife's favorite Auntie, what happens when Auntie wants the cure for her daughter? Give it to her? Then what happens when Auntie's daughter wants The Cure for her boyfriend's mother? The secret would be out quickly.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Maybe they haven't considered that hundreds of "Big Pharma" executives are themselves subject to getting cancer... and so are their wives, children, parents, siblings, friends, cousins... and if the "cure" was made available only for the big shots and their families, that would still be thousands of people.... you couldn't keep it quiet.
    Big Pharma is a faceless entity of evil, that is not possible.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Here's the thing that I find most disturbing about this entire thread. Do people actually believe this tripe that if a cure for cancer were found, it would be hidden so "big pharma" could keep raking in $$ on less effective treatments? I mean really? Some of you would actually believe that?
    Hidden? No. It's all much too complex to suggest that it would simply be hidden. But if there is no money in it it certainly wouldn't be promoted by big pharma and yes, I believe it would be discredited in some ways.

    As an example, I work with 3 people who have adult onset Diabetes 2. They all take copious amounts of meds from their doctors for diabetes and related maladies. Two guys that work out at the same gym I go to had Diabetes 2. They've reversed their disease and take no drugs for anything. One guy began a reversal diet and program and was off meds including blood pressure meds, cholesterol and insulin within 6 months. He told a friend of his, who had Diabetes 2 and now his friend works out with him at the gym and HE no longer has takes any meds.

    I thought they were bs-ing me. I did some reading on the Internet. Even some doctors call the lifestyle change a cure, others say reversal, but the fact remains for many, many people who are type 2 there is apparently a way to either reduce or entirely stop medication for the disease and its complications.

    Why don't drug companies shout that to the roof tops? They are certainly aware of the fact that lifestyle changes can help millions of people to get off drugs and reverse diabetes 2 and complications. That's huge information. But, you'll have to surf the Net to find it.

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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Hidden? No. It's all much too complex to suggest that it would simply be hidden. But if there is no money in it it certainly wouldn't be promoted by big pharma and yes, I believe it would be discredited in some ways.

    As an example, I work with 3 people who have adult onset Diabetes 2. They all take copious amounts of meds from their doctors for diabetes and related maladies. Two guys that work out at the same gym I go to had Diabetes 2. They've reversed their disease and take no drugs for anything. One guy began a reversal diet and program and was off meds including blood pressure meds, cholesterol and insulin within 6 months. He told a friend of his, who had Diabetes 2 and now his friend works out with him at the gym and HE no longer has takes any meds.

    I thought they were bs-ing me. I did some reading on the Internet. Even some doctors call the lifestyle change a cure, others say reversal, but the fact remains for many, many people who are type 2 there is apparently a way to either reduce or entirely stop medication for the disease and its complications.

    Why don't drug companies shout that to the roof tops? They are certainly aware of the fact that lifestyle changes can help millions of people to get off drugs and reverse diabetes 2 and complications. That's huge information. But, you'll have to surf the Net to find it.
    Diet control diabetes is not something everyone can do, not everyone has the willpower.
    If they suggest it and someone fails to implement the whole of the plan and dies, they could be sued.

    Pharmaceutical companies are not your doctor.
    Your doctor suggests lifestyle changes to help cure, alleviate, what have you, problems associated with disease.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Maybe they haven't considered that hundreds of "Big Pharma" executives are themselves subject to getting cancer... and so are their wives, children, parents, siblings, friends, cousins... and if the "cure" was made available only for the big shots and their families, that would still be thousands of people.... you couldn't keep it quiet. If you give The Cure to your wife's favorite Auntie, what happens when Auntie wants the cure for her daughter? Give it to her? Then what happens when Auntie's daughter wants The Cure for her boyfriend's mother? The secret would be out quickly.
    Exactly right sir.
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Hidden? No. It's all much too complex to suggest that it would simply be hidden. But if there is no money in it it certainly wouldn't be promoted by big pharma and yes, I believe it would be discredited in some ways.

    As an example, I work with 3 people who have adult onset Diabetes 2. They all take copious amounts of meds from their doctors for diabetes and related maladies. Two guys that work out at the same gym I go to had Diabetes 2. They've reversed their disease and take no drugs for anything. One guy began a reversal diet and program and was off meds including blood pressure meds, cholesterol and insulin within 6 months. He told a friend of his, who had Diabetes 2 and now his friend works out with him at the gym and HE no longer has takes any meds.

    I thought they were bs-ing me. I did some reading on the Internet. Even some doctors call the lifestyle change a cure, others say reversal, but the fact remains for many, many people who are type 2 there is apparently a way to either reduce or entirely stop medication for the disease and its complications.

    Why don't drug companies shout that to the roof tops? They are certainly aware of the fact that lifestyle changes can help millions of people to get off drugs and reverse diabetes 2 and complications. That's huge information. But, you'll have to surf the Net to find it.

    A change of lifestyle is not the same as a "cure".
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    this seems to presuppose that everyone is going to act in a nice orderly and rational fashion, and that all possible actors see themselves as profiting from this scenario.

    Such circumstances are highly unlikely
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    Re: Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It seems you will be holding to the argument that capitalism is preventing a cure for cancer?
    Nope. But, if we are discussing the profit is the only motive for things, then I would say that the psychology of greed would have an impact on the discovery of a cure.

    Also, what's with the libertarian stuff? I'm pretty sure that this particular debate is only an economic issue (the profit motive). Are there social liberties involved? Anyway, I'm not a libertarian even if I defend capitalism against nonsense. If you bring some ridiculous crap against socialism, I'll defend it and next you'll be calling me is an extreme communist.
    Economically, when you present an inflexible position that indicates that profit is the only motivator and fail to see the interconnectedness of other issues, you sould like a libertarian.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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