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Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

That apple sure fell far from tree.

The guy is an embarrassment to the senate.

Rarely do I agree with you, but here, I couldn't agree more. Everyone should have access to health care, even if we disagree on how it should be implemented... That is just a nutty statement on Senator Paul's part...
 
if you believe you have a right to someones labor, you do support a position that is very much "like slavery"

I understand the hand-wringing, it sucks for you because this makes you a bad person.

So, if I beleive someone has a right to an education, my position is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to be represented by counsel in a court of law, that is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to have food to put into his/her mouth, that is "like slavery"? Gee, I am conservative, but we also need to realize that as a society, we need to have some rights that actually make us human. What ever happened to conservatives and Christian values???
 
And when slaves are compensated with food and shelter.........you might realize that slavery isnt so much about the absence of compensation as it is the absence of CHOICE.......my enslaved friend.

Food and shelter were compensation? The owners couldn't let them starve or face the elements without protection. They were protecting their investment. Also, slaves were bought and sold, traded, and bred like animals. That is no way comparable to government paying for health care.



So a system like Medicare--Who denies more claims than any Private Insurer.....is clearly the solution......[.quote]

Link please?
 
And when slaves are compensated with food and shelter.........you might realize that slavery isnt so much about the absence of compensation as it is the absence of CHOICE.......my enslaved friend.



So a system like Medicare--Who denies more claims than any Private Insurer.....is clearly the solution......



............and a $74,000,000,000,000.00 DOLLAR HOLE.........wake up.
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And if it were being handled by private companies, it would be a 100 trillion dollar hole. Old people cost a lot to care for. Medicare having insufficient revenue does not mean it's inefficient.

A higher rate of claims denial isn't quite as important as the reason for those denials. "Duplicate claim" and "Provider not enrolled in Medicare" are perfectly legitimate reasons to deny a claim. I'll take 100,000 of those over a single private insurance company's "oh we think that treatment, which has been FDA approved for a decade, is 'experimental!'"
 
No.

I'm using history to illustrate how the idea of allowing the free market system to go unchecked tends to plung the country into economic chaos and that such irresponsible actions usually stem from Right-leaning politics. It's not that deregulation is bad; it's the lack of federal oversight that tends to be the problem. For as history has shown when industries are allowed to police themselves, they usually take unnecessary risks. And when they take such risks it's usually the public that suffers for it. Moreover, when regulations are relaxed, the government usually attempts to put into place federal oversight committees to ensure industry stays on the level. But in nearly every instance where this has occurred and there's been Republican leadership, economic chaos has ensued because leadership turned a blind eye to the issues and favored profits over discipline or the interests of the very people they've sworn an oath to protect.

Again, don't take my word for it. Review history...

And what industry, does not have federal over site?
With most, if not all industries already having federal over sight, why aren't things better?

You live in a very slanted world sir.
Everything wrong, is the fault of Republicans?
Blind partisan you are.
 
And what industry, does not have federal over site?
With most, if not all industries already having federal over sight, why aren't things better?

Its oversight, not over-site. :sun
 
Ok, do you have anything else to comment on?

Rand Paul has already been properly chastized for his idiotic and indefensible statement so I don't feel the need for further comments on the subject. :sun
 
There aren't any reasons why HSA type medical care won't work for most people, none what so ever.

Well, there are, but let's start with the word most. How much? 51% would be most. Regardless of the actual number, what about those not included in most?

But try some reading here:

Health Savings Accounts

Health Savings Accounts

Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program

Except that would defy the reality of how most other UHC systems work.
Can I stop paying the tax to support it, if I am unhappy with it?
No.

No thanks, you take my money whether or not I want the service.

That is simply not true. There is nothing inherent in a single payer system that would prevent it. Do some research and you'll see I'm right.


Two tiered has always manifested itself as UHC for everyone, but 2nd teir for the societal elite.
I do not want that, period.

You don't get it, you do not need insurance for routine care.
It can be easily paid for out of pocket, it is inexpensive and affordable.

People, like you, stuck in the 1980's mentality that we have to have insurance to cover everything is precisely why costs have risen, why insurance administration is huge, because people are not required to pay at point of service.

Actually, that's what you have now. The elite get much better care than workers and poor do. And frankly, if you have enough problems, and you wage is low enough, routine care can be costly. My wife's meds alone with insurance runs a few hundred dollars a month. Without insurance, we'd be nearing a couple a thousand. For working folk, that might as well be millions.

No, you really don't see the problem.
 
Food and shelter were compensation? The owners couldn't let them starve or face the elements without protection.

So your saying the plantation owner makes all the decisions.......and Rand Paul doesnt........Got Slavery?

They were protecting their investment. Also, slaves were bought and sold, traded, and bred like animals. That is no way comparable to government paying for health care

Maybe if government had money trees, you might have a point. But considering the only money government has.....is what it steals.......from those it enslaves........


So a system like Medicare--Who denies more claims than any Private Insurer.....is clearly the solution......

Link please?

MEDICARE: LARGEST DENIER OF HEALTH CARE CLAIMS

Denying more claims that any of those EVIL GREEDY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURERS........Meidcare........

........welcome to Real Life.
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And if it were being handled by private companies, it would be a 100 trillion dollar hole.

Businesses cant dig a 100 Trillion dollar hole......only Liberal Statist Government has that capability and proficiency.

Old people cost a lot to care for. Medicare having insufficient revenue does not mean it's inefficient.

Right....the fact that nearly every government venture, including Medicare, results in deficits, bankruptcy, and subprime lack luster results......is a clear sign of efficiency.

A higher rate of claims denial isn't quite as important as the reason for those denials. "Duplicate claim" and "Provider not enrolled in Medicare" are perfectly legitimate reasons to deny a claim. I'll take 100,000 of those over a single private insurance company's "oh we think that treatment, which has been FDA approved for a decade, is 'experimental!'"

Imagine how wonderful the government run health care is going to be in Greece........when Government Run Health Care has you sitting in your own urine and feces for weeks at a time.....Yes We Can!
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So, if I beleive someone has a right to an education, my position is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to be represented by counsel in a court of law, that is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to have food to put into his/her mouth, that is "like slavery"? Gee, I am conservative, but we also need to realize that as a society, we need to have some rights that actually make us human. What ever happened to conservatives and Christian values???

is it that hard to ask people to read a page or two into a thread?

the attorney one is a softball and was covered several times.. Because the government taxes people and uses their own money to hire an attorney for the express purpose of taking your rights away, they also have the obligation to use that money to defend your rights they are seeking to take away.

Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.
 
Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.


Whats next they are going to kidnapping people and forcing them to become doctors, teachers and lawyers?
 
Whats next they are going to kidnapping people and forcing them to become doctors, teachers and lawyers?

beats me. you will have to ask those that claim this is a right what they would do if everyone refuses to serve them.
 
is it that hard to ask people to read a page or two into a thread?

the attorney one is a softball and was covered several times.. Because the government taxes people and uses their own money to hire an attorney for the express purpose of taking your rights away, they also have the obligation to use that money to defend your rights they are seeking to take away.

The attorney is still being FORCED to give his/her time and labor to defend someone against his/her will.

Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.

The LAW grants every child the right to a free and appropriate education...
 
The attorney is still being FORCED to give his/her time and labor to defend someone against his/her will.

an attorneys entire profession is based on government having a monopoly on law, so attorneys are slaves to the state, whether they like to see it that way or not.
 
Well, there are, but let's start with the word most. How much? 51% would be most. Regardless of the actual number, what about those not included in most?

But try some reading here:

Health Savings Accounts

Health Savings Accounts

Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program

HSA's are racist, sexist, "for the wealthy", yada yada yada because they require people to pay more out of pocket.
That's essentially what those links said.

But to the point, I'm all for getting rid of the income tax, so we don't need HSA's to shelter otherwise taxable money.

It's also funny how you don't see the ethical and biased issues with "Doctors for single payer."


That is simply not true. There is nothing inherent in a single payer system that would prevent it. Do some research and you'll see I'm right.

Except that those who have proposed such a bill, do not allow those who do not want it, to opt out of both services and taxes.
It has been mandated for all to join, in the bills proposed.


Actually, that's what you have now. The elite get much better care than workers and poor do. And frankly, if you have enough problems, and you wage is low enough, routine care can be costly. My wife's meds alone with insurance runs a few hundred dollars a month. Without insurance, we'd be nearing a couple a thousand. For working folk, that might as well be millions.

No, you really don't see the problem.

Bullcrap, that is absolute bullcrap.
You're making things up and I'm sick of it.
The "elite" get better care, while the lowly worker gets nothing is absolutely, total garbage.

Your personal situation is not an excuse, it's just adds to personal bias.
It is not proof that a less regulated, less state based system would lower prices by reducing consumption on unnecessary medical treatments.

I'm just fine with UHC for those with inborn and very expensive medical situations.
You know, the people who really need help.
 
Just an aside.

What incentives, does free at point of service UHC, provide to get people to make healthy lifestyle choices to avoid otherwise necessary medical treatment?

The same incentive that any person has in any system, to live a long and healthy life! :sun
 
So why aren't people doing it now?

LOL! The ones that have an interest in living a long and healthy life are doing it now? Living a healthy lifestyle doesn't mean you never get sick, or that you will never age! :sun
 
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