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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So, Rand Paul is as dumb as a freaking rock. What an embarrassment he is to the Senate.


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Government can't give you anything that hasn't first been taken away from someone else.
    I never understand this perspective. Why would the basic presumption for every person be not to share what they have? We all have differing talents and abilities, and we are strongest when we work together. I do what I can, you do what you can, and we are all better off for it. Ideally, we wouldn't need a government to help with the distribution, but it's really nothing more than a method of getting stuff from point A to point B. The basis for civilization is that we share what we have so that we can all live better lives. This notion of "fruits of labor" only works if a person exists in a vacuum. Which no one does.

    If a person hordes everything they can, and needs a government to tell them to shape up and stop acting like a spoiled child, then that person really has no place in civilization, and would rather be a caveman. Actually, even cavemen pooled their resources so they could all live better. There is actually no civilization in human history where everyone has only worked for their own benefit. Even the rugged frontiersmen of the American West had to work together to survive. We are a communal species. That's how we are. The ones who only worked to benefit themselves were the tyrranical aristocrats and war-leaders who murdered, raped, and pillaged their way through history, and were the exact dynamic that we in America rebelled against. In functional terms, there is no difference between a wealthy business owner and an Earl or a Duke. They own the things you need to live, and use power and force to keep you from having it.

    If someone thinks that the government, which is entirely staffed and run by Americans who grew up in American neighborhoods, raised on American values, attended American schools, does anything besides executing the will of the people, then they are sorely mistaken. Unfortunately, we the American people allowed our will to be expressed in the money owned by a few individuals. And it is our own fault for letting that happen, and we need to do something about that.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Wouldn't the same logic apply to a person's right to be represented by an attorney in court?
    pretty big stretch.

    government sets up the courts - for the express purpose of using due process to stip you of rights. So the right to an attorney is more like an extension of your rights to defend your life and liberty.


    unlike the courts, government isn't putting your health at risk , so they have no obligation to ensure they don't adversely impact your health.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its very Godwinesque.
    The Mayor doesn't recall Archie Godwin ever discussing slavery with Nero Wolfe.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do you also believe that teachers, soldiers, prison guards, road workers, and other public servants are slaves? All of those services require funding "at the end of a gun by brute force" too.
    stupid straw man example. courts have ruled we don't have a right to police protection, or to an education. or to roads, etc, etc.

    progressives are saying we do have a right to healthcare though.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Government can't give you anything that hasn't first been taken away from someone else.
    It can give:

    Bureaucracy.

    Obstruction.

    Economic Depressions.

    Poverty.

    War.

    Death.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is the dumbest slavery comparison I've ever heard. Nobody gets conscripted in a universal health care system.
    What kind of stupid remark is this?

    O_amaCare forces citizens into The Plan.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I never understand this perspective. Why would the basic presumption for every person be not to share what they have? We all have differing talents and abilities, and we are strongest when we work together. I do what I can, you do what you can, and we are all better off for it. Ideally, we wouldn't need a government to help with the distribution, but it's really nothing more than a method of getting stuff from point A to point B. The basis for civilization is that we share what we have so that we can all live better lives. This notion of "fruits of labor" only works if a person exists in a vacuum. Which no one does.
    The presumption in the American experiment is that people voluntarily "share" their skills by engaging in what's called "commerce", and the concept of "sharing" goes both ways. The skilled American "shares" his skills, the recipient of this "sharing" shares his money.

    The European experiment in "sharing" involves people sharing their skills and in exchange they're exempted from the "sharing" of bullets, rubber truncheons, and prison. That is, after all, the heart of socialism.

    If a person hordes everything they can, and needs a government to tell them to shape up and stop acting like a spoiled child, then that person really has no place in civilization, and would rather be a caveman.
    And..

    ...in a grown-up mature civilization, the hoarder is recognized as a free individual and he's allowed his freedom to live his own life. Only in juvie "civilizations" do the governmnts beleive that its acceptable to use the force held by the mindless mob to steal what the hoarder possesses for their own greedy purposes. Which is exactly what all socialist schemes do.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I never understand this perspective. Why would the basic presumption for every person be not to share what they have? We all have differing talents and abilities, and we are strongest when we work together. I do what I can, you do what you can, and we are all better off for it. Ideally, we wouldn't need a government to help with the distribution, but it's really nothing more than a method of getting stuff from point A to point B. The basis for civilization is that we share what we have so that we can all live better lives. This notion of "fruits of labor" only works if a person exists in a vacuum. Which no one does.

    If a person hordes everything they can, and needs a government to tell them to shape up and stop acting like a spoiled child, then that person really has no place in civilization, and would rather be a caveman. Actually, even cavemen pooled their resources so they could all live better. There is actually no civilization in human history where everyone has only worked for their own benefit. Even the rugged frontiersmen of the American West had to work together to survive. We are a communal species. That's how we are. The ones who only worked to benefit themselves were the tyrranical aristocrats and war-leaders who murdered, raped, and pillaged their way through history, and were the exact dynamic that we in America rebelled against. In functional terms, there is no difference between a wealthy business owner and an Earl or a Duke. They own the things you need to live, and use power and force to keep you from having it.

    If someone thinks that the government, which is entirely staffed and run by Americans who grew up in American neighborhoods, raised on American values, attended American schools, does anything besides executing the will of the people, then they are sorely mistaken. Unfortunately, we the American people allowed our will to be expressed in the money owned by a few individuals. And it is our own fault for letting that happen, and we need to do something about that.

    It's not a Right if another has to be imposed upon for you to exercise said Right.

    WHICH is what is the point here. The supposed "RIGHT" to healthcare is bull****. You have RIGHT to access Healthcare, you do not have a RIGHT to Healthcare.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    See more as a solution to a problem and not a right. It is more a public health issue, and not so different from fire departments and other public issues that we work together to solve.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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