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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You decide whether you are going to get sick or not based on what it will cost you? I don't know of a single person that does that!
    The only decision is whether to have treatment or not, based on if you can afford it or not. That means people that don't have access to affordable preventative medicine are going to have more costly health problems in the future.
    Sure some people don't, but some do.
    It matters not, if you know anyone that does.
    You're personal bias is not proof of right or wrong.

    Preventative medicine does not save money, preventative lifestyles do.
    This has already been well sourced and you know this, but continue to perpetuate this myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So in your mind, people elect to have diabetes because it won't cost them that much? That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard!
    You can't elect to have diabetes, I never said that.
    The word injector strikes again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Stupidity, no, thankfully it is often fatal! LOL!
    Stupidity isn't as fatal as you believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    UHC stresses a healthy lifestyle just as much as our system does, and it does a much better job at providing affordable preventative care, which also addresses one of the primary causes of more serious health problems.
    How does it stress a healthy lifestyle?
    Explain.

    Preventative care does not save money, it has already been proven cheif.
    A source, from politifact no less.

    PolitiFact | Brooks claims that preventive care will cost the government
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sure some people don't, but some do.
    It matters not, if you know anyone that does.
    You're personal bias is not proof of right or wrong.
    I call BS. Let's see the statistics that back up your claim? Or, was this just another of your "theories?"

    Preventative medicine does not save money, preventative lifestyles do.
    LOL! Any person with any medical knowledge at all, will tell you are full of ****, they both save money and more importantly, they both promote better health! Ask Digsby, if you do not know anyone else in the medical field.

    You can't elect to have diabetes, I never said that.
    That is damn well what you implied. If it wasn't what point were you trying to make?
    How does it stress a healthy lifestyle?
    Explain.
    Health Care Reform Bill Also Promotes Healthy Lifestyles & Wellness

    "The health care bill that Congress passed (H.R. 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices of 2009) includes several measures to promote health in the public school system as well as measures to promote wellness and prevention of illness among all age groups."

    Preventative care does not save money, it has already been proven cheif.
    A source, from politifact no less.

    PolitiFact | Brooks claims that preventive care will cost the government
    "The question to ask is not whether it saves money but whether your money is buying good value in health.

    A little background: there are three kinds of prevention. Primary prevention takes place before you have a disease and actually prevents it. Childhood immunizations, for example, are our favorite kind of primary prevention. A few shots and you don't have to worry about your kids getting measles or mumps. Also, counseling people about risky behaviors is primary prevention. If I talk to you about tobacco cessation or sexual behavior and you stop smoking or use condoms as a result, you're preventing a disease.

    Preventive services are worth it if they improve health at a relatively low cost.

    Secondary prevention is early detection of an existing disease when it is asymptomatic, so you have a much better chance that treatment will cure it. Screening tests are the classic example of secondary prevention: you get a mammogram, find early breast cancer and get treatment that will — we hope — cure it.

    Finally, tertiary prevention is optimal treatment of existing chronic disease so that you don't develop known complications. For instance, regular eye and foot exams in patients with diabetes, to watch out for retinal problems and foot ulcers.

    Now it turns out that some preventive medicine does actually save money. For example, the cost of vaccinating an entire population for some diseases is actually less than what it would have cost to treat those diseases if they had developed in some of those people. But most types of prevention don't literally save money. The reason for this is that you have to screen a lot of women with mammography, for example, in order to find one breast cancer.

    So if it doesn't save money, how do we decide what prevention is worth doing? That's where value comes in. As Dr. Steven Woolf of Virginia Commonwealth University and others argued in a recent paper on this subject, the question of whether prevention saves money and can help pay for health care reform misses the point. What does matter — and this matters both for prevention and treatment services — is value: the health benefit per dollar invested.

    Preventive services are worth it if they improve health at a relatively low cost. The way we control health care spending is by moving our money from expensive low-value services — both treatment and prevention — to more cost-effective (NOT cost-saving) high-value interventions. Fewer expensive drugs that extend life a week or a month; more proven early interventions that can extend life for years or decades."
    Getting The Most Out Of Preventive Care : NPR
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! Any person with any medical knowledge at all, will tell you are full of ****, they both save money and more importantly, they both promote better health! Ask Digsby, if you do not know anyone else in the medical field.
    I agree with you. BOTH preventative care (including routine examinations) and a healthy (preventative) lifestyle are vital to maintaining good health, especially as one goes though his/her 40s and later. To say otherwise is rank ignorance.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    i still can't get my head around how a person who chooses to work in the Health Profession and dedicates their life to helping sick people could feel like that.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    the same could be said of a teacher. However, you are still forcing the attorney to labor for someone he/she does not want to. This is FACT no matter how much you want to spin it... nice try, though...
    no, a person that instructs another person is not dependent on a government monopoly to perform their trade. If you can't have an honest exchange dealing in reality, then you are the one spinning things.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    i still can't get my head around how a person who chooses to work in the Health Profession and dedicates their life to helping sick people could feel like that.
    Maybe that's why he got into politics instead.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    What about being a slave to the almighty dollar? I suspect Rand Paul is one.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    i still can't get my head around how a person who chooses to work in the Health Profession and dedicates their life to helping sick people could feel like that.
    All a politician has to do is watch the news, see what people in their district are raging about...create an argument that placates to the rage and then get ready to serve We The People in Washington.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Well i guess the majority of the world are slaves now sense Rand Paul said so...


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    no, a person that instructs another person is not dependent on a government monopoly to perform their trade. If you can't have an honest exchange dealing in reality, then you are the one spinning things.
    No one forces another person to be an attorney... you may try to spin it, but sorry, your analogy doesn't work... if you force a lawyer to give his time and labor to someone he/she doesn't want to, then that is no different than Senator Paul's STUPID assertion that believing in the right to health care access is akin to slavery... you know, we have national health care in Taiwan, and I have several friends who are doctors, but they establish private practices under the guidelines of the law (U.S. practitioners also have to set up their own private practices in accordance with the law) and are well compensated for it. No one I know considers this akin to 'slavery'.
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