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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, there are, but let's start with the word most. How much? 51% would be most. Regardless of the actual number, what about those not included in most?

    But try some reading here:

    Health Savings Accounts

    Health Savings Accounts

    Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program
    HSA's are racist, sexist, "for the wealthy", yada yada yada because they require people to pay more out of pocket.
    That's essentially what those links said.

    But to the point, I'm all for getting rid of the income tax, so we don't need HSA's to shelter otherwise taxable money.

    It's also funny how you don't see the ethical and biased issues with "Doctors for single payer."


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is simply not true. There is nothing inherent in a single payer system that would prevent it. Do some research and you'll see I'm right.
    Except that those who have proposed such a bill, do not allow those who do not want it, to opt out of both services and taxes.
    It has been mandated for all to join, in the bills proposed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, that's what you have now. The elite get much better care than workers and poor do. And frankly, if you have enough problems, and you wage is low enough, routine care can be costly. My wife's meds alone with insurance runs a few hundred dollars a month. Without insurance, we'd be nearing a couple a thousand. For working folk, that might as well be millions.

    No, you really don't see the problem.
    Bullcrap, that is absolute bullcrap.
    You're making things up and I'm sick of it.
    The "elite" get better care, while the lowly worker gets nothing is absolutely, total garbage.

    Your personal situation is not an excuse, it's just adds to personal bias.
    It is not proof that a less regulated, less state based system would lower prices by reducing consumption on unnecessary medical treatments.

    I'm just fine with UHC for those with inborn and very expensive medical situations.
    You know, the people who really need help.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    .......
    Just an aside.

    What incentives, does free at point of service UHC, provide to get people to make healthy lifestyle choices to avoid otherwise necessary medical treatment?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just an aside.

    What incentives, does free at point of service UHC, provide to get people to make healthy lifestyle choices to avoid otherwise necessary medical treatment?
    The same incentive that any person has in any system, to live a long and healthy life!
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The same incentive that any person has in any system, to live a long and healthy life!
    So why aren't people doing it now?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So why aren't people doing it now?
    LOL! The ones that have an interest in living a long and healthy life are doing it now? Living a healthy lifestyle doesn't mean you never get sick, or that you will never age!
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! The ones that have an interest in living a long and healthy life are doing it now? Living a healthy lifestyle doesn't mean you never get sick, or that you will never age!
    Stop trying to put words, in my mouth, again.

    Why aren't people changing their lifestyles to prevent or control diseases now?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Stop trying to put words, in my mouth, again.

    Why aren't people changing their lifestyles to prevent or control diseases now?
    The ones that understand the connection between a healthy lifestyle and better health are. What makes you think they are not?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The ones that understand the connection between a healthy lifestyle and better health are. What makes you think they are not?
    There is no significant financial cost in doing so.
    With our current or a UHC system people are to far removed from the immediate costs of treating the disease.

    Type 2 diabetes is a perfect example.
    Do you know that a lot of diabetics with type 2 could change their diet, to control their glucose, but simply don't because the costs of such aren't as big with insurance subsidy for prescription medications.

    UHC will not fix this either.

    There are other situations besides this where we can explore, that won't change regardless of the current system or a future UHC system.

    UHC does not address the primary problems associated with poor health choices, that if addressed would cause the cost curve to bend down.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    an attorneys entire profession is based on government having a monopoly on law, so attorneys are slaves to the state, whether they like to see it that way or not.
    the same could be said of a teacher. However, you are still forcing the attorney to labor for someone he/she does not want to. This is FACT no matter how much you want to spin it... nice try, though...
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is no significant financial cost in doing so.
    With our current or a UHC system people are to far removed from the immediate costs of treating the disease.
    You decide whether you are going to get sick or not based on what it will cost you? I don't know of a single person that does that!
    The only decision is whether to have treatment or not, based on if you can afford it or not. That means people that don't have access to affordable preventative medicine are going to have more costly health problems in the future.

    Type 2 diabetes is a perfect example.
    Do you know that a lot of diabetics with type 2 could change their diet, to control their glucose, but simply don't because the costs of such aren't as big with insurance subsidy for prescription medications.
    So in your mind, people elect to have diabetes because it won't cost them that much? That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard!

    UHC will not fix this either.
    Stupidity, no, thankfully it is often fatal! LOL!


    UHC does not address the primary problems associated with poor health choices, that if addressed would cause the cost curve to bend down.
    UHC stresses a healthy lifestyle just as much as our system does, and it does a much better job at providing affordable preventative care, which also addresses one of the primary causes of more serious health problems.
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