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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There aren't any reasons why HSA type medical care won't work for most people, none what so ever.
    Well, there are, but let's start with the word most. How much? 51% would be most. Regardless of the actual number, what about those not included in most?

    But try some reading here:

    Health Savings Accounts

    Health Savings Accounts

    Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program

    Except that would defy the reality of how most other UHC systems work.
    Can I stop paying the tax to support it, if I am unhappy with it?
    No.

    No thanks, you take my money whether or not I want the service.
    That is simply not true. There is nothing inherent in a single payer system that would prevent it. Do some research and you'll see I'm right.


    Two tiered has always manifested itself as UHC for everyone, but 2nd teir for the societal elite.
    I do not want that, period.

    You don't get it, you do not need insurance for routine care.
    It can be easily paid for out of pocket, it is inexpensive and affordable.

    People, like you, stuck in the 1980's mentality that we have to have insurance to cover everything is precisely why costs have risen, why insurance administration is huge, because people are not required to pay at point of service.
    Actually, that's what you have now. The elite get much better care than workers and poor do. And frankly, if you have enough problems, and you wage is low enough, routine care can be costly. My wife's meds alone with insurance runs a few hundred dollars a month. Without insurance, we'd be nearing a couple a thousand. For working folk, that might as well be millions.

    No, you really don't see the problem.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its oversight, not over-site.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Food and shelter were compensation? The owners couldn't let them starve or face the elements without protection.
    So your saying the plantation owner makes all the decisions.......and Rand Paul doesnt........Got Slavery?

    They were protecting their investment. Also, slaves were bought and sold, traded, and bred like animals. That is no way comparable to government paying for health care
    Maybe if government had money trees, you might have a point. But considering the only money government has.....is what it steals.......from those it enslaves........


    So a system like Medicare--Who denies more claims than any Private Insurer.....is clearly the solution......

    Link please?
    MEDICARE: LARGEST DENIER OF HEALTH CARE CLAIMS

    Denying more claims that any of those EVIL GREEDY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURERS........Meidcare........

    ........welcome to Real Life.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And if it were being handled by private companies, it would be a 100 trillion dollar hole.
    Businesses cant dig a 100 Trillion dollar hole......only Liberal Statist Government has that capability and proficiency.

    Old people cost a lot to care for. Medicare having insufficient revenue does not mean it's inefficient.
    Right....the fact that nearly every government venture, including Medicare, results in deficits, bankruptcy, and subprime lack luster results......is a clear sign of efficiency.

    A higher rate of claims denial isn't quite as important as the reason for those denials. "Duplicate claim" and "Provider not enrolled in Medicare" are perfectly legitimate reasons to deny a claim. I'll take 100,000 of those over a single private insurance company's "oh we think that treatment, which has been FDA approved for a decade, is 'experimental!'"
    Imagine how wonderful the government run health care is going to be in Greece........when Government Run Health Care has you sitting in your own urine and feces for weeks at a time.....Yes We Can!
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, if I beleive someone has a right to an education, my position is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to be represented by counsel in a court of law, that is "like slavery"? If I believe someone has the right to have food to put into his/her mouth, that is "like slavery"? Gee, I am conservative, but we also need to realize that as a society, we need to have some rights that actually make us human. What ever happened to conservatives and Christian values???
    is it that hard to ask people to read a page or two into a thread?

    the attorney one is a softball and was covered several times.. Because the government taxes people and uses their own money to hire an attorney for the express purpose of taking your rights away, they also have the obligation to use that money to defend your rights they are seeking to take away.

    Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.

    Whats next they are going to kidnapping people and forcing them to become doctors, teachers and lawyers?

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Whats next they are going to kidnapping people and forcing them to become doctors, teachers and lawyers?
    beats me. you will have to ask those that claim this is a right what they would do if everyone refuses to serve them.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    is it that hard to ask people to read a page or two into a thread?

    the attorney one is a softball and was covered several times.. Because the government taxes people and uses their own money to hire an attorney for the express purpose of taking your rights away, they also have the obligation to use that money to defend your rights they are seeking to take away.
    The attorney is still being FORCED to give his/her time and labor to defend someone against his/her will.

    Education is a much better example. And yes, if you think you have an inalienable right to have someone tutor you, you believe in concepts very much like slavery.
    The LAW grants every child the right to a free and appropriate education...
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The attorney is still being FORCED to give his/her time and labor to defend someone against his/her will.
    an attorneys entire profession is based on government having a monopoly on law, so attorneys are slaves to the state, whether they like to see it that way or not.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Wouldn't the same logic apply to a person's right to be represented by an attorney in court?
    It actually does in a way just not the slavery part or forcing a lawyer to be yours. Other than that it's exactly the same.

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