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Thread: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    That's completely asinine. Patients' would, finally, have access to the medical care they want, and need.
    The Single Payer Government Run Health Care we currently have denies access to plenty wants and needs.........



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    If they wanted, they could still buy private insurance. If they don't want medical care, by all means, they can stay home and die, however, I don't expect many will make that choice.
    So what your really saying.......is Every American has a Right to the lower tier of a two-tier medical system..........
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, if I prefer this, it means I haven't heard or looked at anything else, because if I had, I wouldn't have this, no one, so the only possible answer is CP is right? Seriously, is that your position?
    You've simply dismissed the ideas without reason.
    That is my position, on your opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it doesn't. First, all insurers refuse to pay for everything you want, and they don't eliminate choice as you mean it. Same witht eh government. That said, nothing prevents you from buying insurance as well, or to pay yourself. You have all the choice you can afford, just as you do now. The only difference, everyone has access to adequate care. Not wish list care, but adequate care. You can go to the doctor you choose (though your insurance won't alwayss allow that), buy more insurance if you want, pay for more on your own.
    No they don't eliminate choice because I can pursue other avenues of care, with another insurer or my own money.

    In most of the countries UHC, private non UHC care is criminalized or restricted.
    Your two teir approach is invalid because the 2nd tier in those countries is typically more expensive than the regular care here.
    I currently do not need insurance to go to the doctor.

    You are basing your whole argument on, everyone needs insurance (whether government or private) for everything, when that is patently false.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I currently do not need insurance to go to the doctor.
    No you don't but what if you go and get diagnosed with a catastrophic very expensive illness?

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Wow, you were on that like a hawk. I wasn't singling Switzerland out, in particular, it was just the first name that came to mind. Most of Western Europe has superior healthcare to the United States, and they're much more efficient.
    Oh, okay. Fair enough. It's just that we don't have Medicare. Seniors have to purchase their own insurance just like everyone else, so I was wondering what your response to Badmutha was all about.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No you don't but what if you go and get diagnosed with a catastrophic very expensive illness?
    Then I should have the choice to purchase only catastrophic insurance for a very expensive illness.

    I do not have that choice, currently and it was none of my doing.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Oh, okay. Fair enough. It's just that we don't have Medicare. Seniors have to purchase their own insurance just like everyone else, so I was wondering what your response to Badmutha was all about.
    I'm assuming that all of your seniors are either, 1. dead in the streets or 2. about to be dead, in the streets?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then I should have the choice to purchase only catastrophic insurance for a very expensive illness.

    I do not have that choice, currently and it was none of my doing.

    You mean after you get diagnosed?

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You mean after you get diagnosed?
    No before.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No before.

    We started out going to the Doctor with no insurance though.

    Any hows, I just looked up a plan with a 10k deductible for 152.18 per month.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    We started out going to the Doctor with no insurance though.

    Any hows, I just looked up a plan with a 10k deductible for 152.18 per month.
    You don't need insurance for a check up, that can easily be paid for out of pocket.

    Insurance is not for maintenance, it is for unforeseen costs.
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