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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, Paul is good for nothing else but the consistent use of Ayn Rand talking points. And as we heard, Paul is not just referring to health care, but also to food and shelter. According to Paul and the other Ayn Rand Acolytes, any time the government forces you to contribute to society in the form of taxes and social safety net programs, it is an intrusion of force on you to give to someone else. They would have us believe that if we take away the "nanny state" and remove almost all taxes, that the poor and underprivelidged will be taken care of by charity alone. Provided the selfish philosophy that Ayn Rand celebrates will allow for sufficient charity.

    The irony is that modern society is forced to impose selflessness on its citizens due to the selfishness of people like Rand Paul. In the end Sen. Paul's namesake and hero believed in her right to have the government take care of her medical needs. At the end of her life she did go on her husbands Social Security benefits, and she also took advantage of Medicare.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No. Because you have the CHOICE to have an attorney represent you, or you can choose to have a court appointed one.
    The fact that the court can appoint one to you could mean that if no attorneys wanted to take you case, the government could force an attorney to take you as a client. It happens every day in courts across the country. So in this case, the government is forcing services of one person onto another. Slavery, right?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you don't believe we have problems? I agree hyperbole is all too common on all sides in politics. However, can we agree the system has problems.
    Yes but the constant tail spin to UHC, is just bandwagoning.
    That isn't serious review.

    Cpwill has already detailed that there are other options available that could cut costs while increasing accessibility.
    Those are routinely ignored because we must follow Europe.

    There are better ways, that doesn't eliminate choice of providers, and may actually be cheaper per month.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes but the constant tail spin to UHC, is just bandwagoning.
    That isn't serious review.

    Cpwill has already detailed that there are other options available that could cut costs while increasing accessibility.
    Those are routinely ignored because we must follow Europe.

    There are better ways, that doesn't eliminate choice of providers, and may actually be cheaper per month.
    No one was suggesting eliminating choice of providers. Except for the "free market" insurance companies, who routinely do.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one was suggesting eliminating choice of providers. Except for the "free market" insurance companies, who routinely do.
    I have a choice of insurance companies, a choice of doctors, a choice of medications, pretty much anything I want.

    When you enact UHC, where the consumer does not face price as a factor, people over consume medical care.
    The government will have to eliminate choices in care, to control costs.
    All countries with UHC do this.

    There are other options, that are more complicated but seek to actually remedy the situation, without creating another government bureaucracy.
    Because these options are not well known and can not fit into a talking point people routinely ignore them, because they don't research the situation beyond the nonsense that is spouted on tv and by political pundits.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I have a choice of insurance companies, a choice of doctors, a choice of medications, pretty much anything I want.

    When you enact UHC, where the consumer does not face price as a factor, people over consume medical care.
    The government will have to eliminate choices in care, to control costs.
    All countries with UHC do this.

    There are other options, that are more complicated but seek to actually remedy the situation, without creating another government bureaucracy.
    Because these options are not well known and can not fit into a talking point people routinely ignore them, because they don't research the situation beyond the nonsense that is spouted on tv and by political pundits.
    To be fair, insurance inflates price as well.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    To be fair, insurance inflates price as well.
    Our current insurance system does do this.
    With price not being a factor in care, people consume to the limit they are allowed.

    I do not want politicians further regulating what type of insurance, with what benefits, individuals have to chose.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Our current insurance system does do this.
    With price not being a factor in care, people consume to the limit they are allowed.

    I do not want politicians further regulating what type of insurance, with what benefits, individuals have to chose.
    All the government really had to do to fix insurance (this wouldn't fix health care) was to say that people can't be denyed coverage for everything because of previous condition. This would of allowed everyone to purchase relatively cheap catastrophic care while getting the "in network" discounts for everything else. I don't agree with the existence of in network discounts since it drives up cost, but thats the system thats not going away.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    All the government really had to do to fix insurance (this wouldn't fix health care) was to say that people can't be denyed coverage for everything because of previous condition. This would of allowed everyone to purchase relatively cheap catastrophic care while getting the "in network" discounts for everything else. I don't agree with the existence of in network discounts since it drives up cost, but thats the system thats not going away.
    I would be fine with that, if there were repeals of other laws, like the HMO act, minimum benefit mandates, the ceiling on doctors being graduated, removal of the employer tax advantage, etc.

    Surgical (aka catastrophic) plans existed about 10-15 years ago, I remember considering buying one.
    Now they're no longer an option because of benefit mandates.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    .....and all choice is removed from the equation isnt it......for the patients as well as the physicians. It will be the government option.....because there is no other option.

    Got Slavery?
    That's completely asinine. Patients' would, finally, have access to the medical care they want, and need. If they wanted, they could still buy private insurance. If they don't want medical care, by all means, they can stay home and die, however, I don't expect many will make that choice.
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