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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    We all pay for those who can't afford to pay for their medical needs. Universal/Single Payer coverage would better manage the cost of healthcare for all of us.
    I've often wondered what this would do for business. Think about how much of a business' personnel costs are in providing health insurance, and how much their profits could increase with UHC. I'm not saying that's a reason to do it, but I have wondered what it could do for our economy.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I've often wondered what this would do for business. Think about how much of a business' personnel costs are in providing health insurance, and how much their profits could increase with UHC. I'm not saying that's a reason to do it, but I have wondered what it could do for our economy.
    unintended consequences of goverment intervention is the only reason employer provided health care dominates the market today.

    ultimately, I see removing it having little difference in the economy - most of us seek a salary that provided for our requirements, and this is a form of salary./ It would help individuals with preexisting conditions from losing coverage when they change jobs.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Rand didn't change his "rhetoric" one bit on this. He has always framed it to make people understand those currently or soon to be relying on this entitlement will not have the rug pulled out from under them.
    I was addressing the OP's topic. Rand said his services would be conscripted. He's a willing participant now and sees the need for the poor and elderly to have access to medical care, but somehow giving access to all Americans would enslave him? It's a poorly conveyed idea at best, demagogic and purposefully misleading at worst.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I've often wondered what this would do for business. Think about how much of a business' personnel costs are in providing health insurance, and how much their profits could increase with UHC. I'm not saying that's a reason to do it, but I have wondered what it could do for our economy.
    This is why Obama included UHC/Health care reform in discussing how he would address our economic problems. As you point out, it's a large expenditure for businesses and, as we are competing against businesses in other countries which have government provided health care. That gives them an advantage. That's why I never understand why large corporations are not extolling the virtue of UHC. It would give them that much greater profit if they were free of those costs.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not a Right if another has to be imposed upon for you to exercise said Right.

    WHICH is what is the point here. The supposed "RIGHT" to healthcare is bull****. You have RIGHT to access Healthcare, you do not have a RIGHT to Healthcare.
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    progressives are saying we do have a right to healthcare though.
    If the technology is there to save a life, should that life not be saved simply because the person can't pay for it? Should their entire life be dismal because they were saved, but now can't pay for the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What kind of stupid remark is this?

    O_amaCare forces citizens into The Plan.
    Rand isn't talking about Obamacare.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Next you'll want your food
    If someone is working, they shouldn't have to worry about paying for food. Thats the way capitalism is suppose to operate. Problem is, no one, with any power anyways, wants real capitalism. Evil maximum, thats all anyone cares about.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you never supported his positions, and you clearly have no ability to understand the mindset of people that did support his opinions. so what you just wrote, is pure bull****.
    Doesn't change the fact that his analogy is a weak one.

    If you work, you contribute to society and therefore shouldn't have to worry about basic life sustaining necessities.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So if we had a choice to have a doctor or to have a court appoint a doctor, a right to health care would be just like the right to have an attorney?

    I am not following you on that one.
    Rand was talking about the RIGHT to healthcare myth that people spew. For you to have the RIGHT to something Someone ELSE is obligated to provide it.

    Take the Courts, you have the RIGHT to legal council, but that doesn't mean you NEED a lawyer. You are free to Represent yourself.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Rand was talking about the RIGHT to healthcare myth that people spew. For you to have the RIGHT to something Someone ELSE is obligated to provide it.

    Take the Courts, you have the RIGHT to legal council, but that doesn't mean you NEED a lawyer. You are free to Represent yourself.
    So people should just be left to die, no matter if they can be saved or not.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Rand was talking about the RIGHT to healthcare myth that people spew. For you to have the RIGHT to something Someone ELSE is obligated to provide it.

    Take the Courts, you have the RIGHT to legal council, but that doesn't mean you NEED a lawyer. You are free to Represent yourself.
    That's a really bad example. You'd be better off with my argument. If health care is a right and the government controls the means to which you exercise your right, then your right to health care is no longer a right but a privilege that is subject to the whims of the government.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So people should just be left to die, no matter if they can be saved or not.
    So we can't pay for huge entitlements without destroying the economy, ruining the dollar... but hey, well feel good on the way down right!

    Emergency Care is one thing, UHC is another, stay on topic.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Needless to say, both sides are using highly emotive terminology to advance their political positions on medical care.

    His using the slavery example isn't excusable, but neither is the hyperbole coming from those who rant and rave over the supposed problems we have now.
    So, you don't believe we have problems? I agree hyperbole is all too common on all sides in politics. However, can we agree the system has problems.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So we can't pay for huge entitlements without destroying the economy, ruining the dollar... but hey, we'll feel good on the way down right!

    Emergency Care is one thing, UHC is another, stay on topic.
    I am on topic. Heres how it works. A person has heart disease and cannot pay for the treatments. He/she then sufferes from a heart attack and is taken to the emergency room.

    And UHC would lower cost either through proper mechanisms such as providing for preventive medicine, or through improper ways like price controls.

    I don't agree with UHC. I agree with a societal/cultural shift were, if you work, you are able to provide for yourself.

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