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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's your choice to go to the doctor or not to go to the doctor.

    And a "court appointed attorney" is just that. An attorney who is "drafted" in a sense, by the court to represent you. When they say you have a "right" to have an attorney, it means that they will give you an attorney.

    So how is a "court appointed attorney," who is sometimes pressed into service by the government, different from a doctor who has to help you?

    As it stands now, if you go to an Emergency Room they have to treat you. If you can't pay, the government does. In effect, that is a right to health care. So this terrible future that Rand Paul is predicting was here long before Obama became President. You may not like Obama's solution, but essentially he is trying to fix the cost to the government caused by uninsured people crowding into ERs. What is Rand Paul doing about that?
    A court appointed attorney is provided because the state aims to take away your rights and punish you, that is the only reason such a positive right exists.

    On the other hand, forcing the ER to stabilize you does not necessarily mean that you are in need of their services.
    It's "junk" legislation, where emotions override realistic need.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He was making a comparison, to explain how you cannot have a RIGHT to healthcare. Instead of taking a moment to think about that, and why he said it, you're stuck on "OMG it's NOT SLAVERY LOL" mode. Which is the real tragedy here.
    You can't have a right to health care. Man, that's a cold statement.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The government changing it is not the same as the market changing.
    Actually it is. The regulatory environment is all part of business. ESPECIALLY for industries like health care, which is not like a widget industry and never has been.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Typically the market changes in slower intervals, while the government makes very rapid moves that can't easily be adapted to.
    Someone will adapt to it. Whether or not it is the players that currently dominate the market, I don't know and don't particularly care.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually it is. The regulatory environment is all part of business. ESPECIALLY for industries like health care, which is not like a widget industry and never has been.
    And when those regulations are based on politicizing an industry, on the net it harms either/or the business and the consumer.
    Firm reasonable rules are one thing, politicized junk is another.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Someone will adapt to it. Whether or not it is the players that currently dominate the market, I don't know and don't particularly care.
    Government shouldn't be in the business of choosing winners and losers.
    Manipulating the market for social engineering and political purposes is not something I want to continue.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That is not what Paul is saying.

    "That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery."

    Under universal health care, the doctor is paid, not conscripted and forced to work without pay. You are arguing a different point, which is not Dr. Paul's point.
    Albeit my point was better......Rand is still spot on.

    Democrats claim there is a "Right to Healthcare".......a Right that cannot be denied. What do you think would happen if doctors nationwide stopped taking Medicare patients?

    ......what would happen if there was nothing but Medicare patients?

    When government decides what the fruits of Rand's labor is worth.....and isnt worth........

    .....you may argue its not really Slavery.........but you sure as hell cant call it Freedom.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And when those regulations are based on politicizing an industry, on the net it harms either/or the business and the consumer.
    Firm reasonable rules are one thing, politicized junk is another.
    First of all, it is not "politicizing" an industry to change public policy as it relates to that industry. The Affordable Care Act was not passed because Democrats wanted to stick it to Republican donors, it was passed because they thought it would improve health care.

    Second of all, it's not like we were previously operating under a laissez-faire health care market, and the idea of regulatory changes was a totally unforeseeable risk for the health care industry. We changed from one set of regulations to another set of regulations. Some companies will adapt to it better than others, and those who thrive under the new regulations will be the winners...as was the case under the previous system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Government shouldn't be in the business of choosing winners and losers.
    I agree. But the government SHOULD be in the business of creating a regulatory framework and allowing winners and losers to emerge as the regulations are continuously updated as conditions change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Manipulating the market for social engineering and political purposes is not something I want to continue.
    I think this is an apt example of "market fundamentalism," which is one of the most economically destructive ideas to emerge since Marxism. While the free market can OFTEN produce better outcomes for societies than government, it is simply not the case that it ALWAYS can.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I never understand this perspective. Why would the basic presumption for every person be not to share what they have?
    Because the reality your missing......sharing took place long before a government mandated it at the end of a gun.

    You understand the perspective and you live it everyday........as long as you have $1 more than any of your fellow americans. Perhaps government needs to force you to share more........since your so selfish and greedy.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post

    Democrats claim there is a "Right to Healthcare".......a Right that cannot be denied. .
    This right already exists -- go to the ER with no insurance, and somebody has to pay.

    I suppose you could take away the requirement that they treat people, but that would violate the hippocratic oath, I think. Not that it's a law or anything.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A bit overwhelming for you, I can understand that.
    Naaa a bit retarded and a horrible analogy....


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Next you'll want your food, gasoline, mortgage, haircuts and beer paid for. Where does it end?
    Naaa. Just cuz im a socialist doesnt mean i want the gov to give me everything.. Just dont think basic human rights should be privatized.. I know its evil to think this way for you but cmon...

    Naaa just think if you cant afford food you should have a program that can help you out..
    Naaa gov doesnt have to pay for my gasoline... We have public transportation right?
    Naaa mortgage naaa...
    Haircuts... Would be nice but naaa....
    Beer!Yes that is what i am talking about! They should pay for my beer! That would be heaven! Beer! Beer!


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