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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because the possibility that the market will change is a risk that you take with ANY career?
    The government changing it is not the same as the market changing.
    Typically the market changes in slower intervals, while the government makes very rapid moves that can't easily be adapted to.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No. Because you have the CHOICE to have an attorney represent you, or you can choose to have a court appointed one.
    So if we had a choice to have a doctor or to have a court appoint a doctor, a right to health care would be just like the right to have an attorney?

    I am not following you on that one.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So if we had a choice to have a doctor or to have a court appoint a doctor, a right to health care would be just like the right to have an attorney?

    I am not following you on that one.
    The only reason we have a right to have an attorney, is because the state is accusing you of a crime and seeks to remove all your other rights, for a period of time.

    You do not get a right to an attorney for civil cases.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Everyone already has the right to access medical care.
    I was not equating this to slavery.

    Btw, Health care is not medical care.
    Health care involves personal daily habits (diet, exercise, etc.) not associated with medical treatment.
    You know the other stuff that has more of an effect on well being than medical care.
    I'm not saying that you were equating it to slavery, but Rand Paul is.

    I disagree, I think healthcare and medical care are synonymous. Health care involves the treatment of disease which is synonymous to medical care. My problem is with Rand Paul's statement that if someone has the right to healthcare, then he must be forced to take care of them as if he were in slavery.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Insurance is voluntary...
    Not auto insurance. at least not in my state.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The only reason we have a right to have an attorney, is because the state is accusing you of a crime and seeks to remove all your other rights, for a period of time.
    You do not get a right to an attorney for civil cases.
    I can get that. But that's not what I was asking about. I was asking about what MrV meant.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Not auto insurance. at least not in my state.
    You're not forced to drive a car.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm not saying that you were equating it to slavery, but Rand Paul is.

    I disagree, I think healthcare and medical care are synonymous. Health care involves the treatment of disease which is synonymous to medical care. My problem is with Rand Paul's statement that if someone has the right to healthcare, then he must be forced to take care of them as if he were in slavery.
    Some/most of the top illnesses in the U.S. are related to obesity, something that no UHC system could fix.

    I think it's incredibly naive to think you can solve health issues with some kind of magical silver bullet, like UHC and "rights" to medical care.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some/most of the top illnesses in the U.S. are related to obesity, something that no UHC system could fix.

    I think it's incredibly naive to think you can solve health issues with some kind of magical silver bullet, like UHC and "rights" to medical care.

    When you get into the high dollar things like heart transplants you can get kicked out of the program for not following dietary guidelines. And your blood is checked every four to six weeks at a min.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some/most of the top illnesses in the U.S. are related to obesity, something that no UHC system could fix.

    I think it's incredibly naive to think you can solve health issues with some kind of magical silver bullet, like UHC and "rights" to medical care.
    I think it's naive to rely on a for profit healthcare system who's focus isn't providing healthcare but to maximize profits. People have the right to be obese, but I support incentives like tax breaks for those who stay healthy and try to lose weight.

    It's wrong and inhumane for a family to go broke because a family member developed cancer and they have to spend everything and then some to ensure that persons survival. I think it's wrong that people who are born with chronic diseases could be denied coverage or forced to pay much more than others. I think a for profit health insurer system is wrong and infective. I would also tweak healthcare practice in America, but for profit insurance companies only drive up the cost and put the patients 2nd to profits.
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