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    Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    I guess those liberals are Latinos and their "state" rushed will join Mexico.
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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    Some Liberals in Arizona are out of their minds. This requires the rest of the State to vote for it and it's not going to happen.

    Seriously if this is about Mexicans why don't they fix one of their own States.

    That is not Racist, wanting a Mexican State here is.
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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Some Liberals in Arizona are out of their minds. This requires the rest of the State to vote for it and it's not going to happen.

    Seriously if this is about Mexicans why don't they fix one of their own States.

    That is not Racist, wanting a Mexican State here is.
    Actually, the movement has been around since the mid-1960s and has been largely white hippies. The Mexican-Americans have only recently joined the movement because Gov. Brewer and her ilk are making brown people (regardless of legal status) feel unwelcome in Arizona.

    That aside, I love state secession movements just from a historical perspective. And there have been a TON of them in the US.

    Long Island has (as recently as 2008) talked of seceding from New York to form its own state. Norther California has talked secession from Southern California. East Tennessee talked of seceding from Tennessee similar to West Virginia seceding from Virginia to form a Union state during the Civil War. Eastern Washington has talked of leaving to form it's own state.

    These movements are long and storied and come from both right and left. I think it's kinda fun.

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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Some Liberals in Arizona are out of their minds. This requires the rest of the State to vote for it and it's not going to happen.

    Seriously if this is about Mexicans why don't they fix one of their own States.

    That is not Racist, wanting a Mexican State here is.
    They know that. It's more of a symbolic move than anything else. They know it's not actually going to happen.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    And, in other news, Rhode Island wants to secede from....... Nothing. LOL.
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    Re: Some liberals in AZ want to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Actually, the movement has been around since the mid-1960s and has been largely white hippies. The Mexican-Americans have only recently joined the movement because Gov. Brewer and her ilk are making brown people (regardless of legal status) feel unwelcome in Arizona.

    That aside, I love state secession movements just from a historical perspective. And there have been a TON of them in the US.

    Long Island has (as recently as 2008) talked of seceding from New York to form its own state. Norther California has talked secession from Southern California. East Tennessee talked of seceding from Tennessee similar to West Virginia seceding from Virginia to form a Union state during the Civil War. Eastern Washington has talked of leaving to form it's own state.

    These movements are long and storied and come from both right and left. I think it's kinda fun.
    Back in the 70s, Nantucket and MARTHA'S Vinyard talked of leaving Massachusetts and becoming a part of New Hampshire... Maine was also once part of Massachusetts and Vermont, sick of claims from both NY and NH, formed its own independent state before being admitted to the union...
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