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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some people can waste energy.
    Obviously, we are the most wasteful in the world!

    It falls right in line with the subjective theory of value.
    You tell me how wasting energy helps consumers or economy that has to pay more for the energy to produce and transport goods, except the companies making more profit than anyone in the history of the planet?


    That's stupid because you lump in the inefficient with the efficient.
    No, we only do what's efficient.

    Let people decide what is most efficient for themselves.
    If that approach would have worked we wouldn't be facing an energy crisis now with an the most inefficient systems in the industrialized world, now would we?

    It time for leadership in our energy program.



    And many people do not mind the cost.
    What are you talking about, everyone is complaing about high energy costs!


    Usage will decline, if people can't afford it.
    So once we are reduced to a nation of poor people, prices will go down. All we need is another Depression and we'll be all set!

    That is how these things work.
    I see you are a man with a plan!
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obviously, we are the most wasteful in the world!
    Ok, but that doesn't mean we should jump the shark and go crazy with government spending on solutions.
    That to is wasteful.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You tell me how wasting energy helps consumers or economy that has to pay more for the energy to produce and transport goods, except the companies making more profit than anyone in the history of the planet?
    Leisure.
    People waste money and energy for convenience all the time.
    That is how some people like to live, I don't tell others how to spend their money.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, we only do what's efficient.
    There is no clear answer to what is efficient yet.
    That's why your proposing massive spending on R&D which is wasteful.

    Businesses can spend their own money researching what is the best way to create better energy efficiency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that approach would have worked we wouldn't be facing an energy crisis now with an the most inefficient systems in the industrialized world, now would we?

    It time for leadership in our energy program.
    But it didn't work.
    You can blame Reagan et all, but if it were such a great plan, the nation would of rioted when it was cut.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are you talking about, everyone is complaing about high energy costs!
    I'm not complaining, I know how to ration my own resources to the point of enjoying my life just fine and I'm not rich.

    Besides, why should the government do stuff just because people complain.
    People complain about a ton of dumb crap, much of which is their own doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So once we are reduced to a nation of poor people, prices will go down. All we need is another Depression and we'll be all set!

    I see you are a man with a plan!
    There you go again, all or nothing.

    There is no reasoning with you.
    I do like independent energy things, but you turd up what could be an interesting discussion, with your political love fest, with whatever your favorite politician wants to do.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok, but that doesn't mean we should jump the shark and go crazy with government spending on solutions.
    That to is wasteful.
    No, sure, we should just continue to let the economy decline and more and more people get poor and then the prices will go down.




    Leisure.
    People waste money and energy for convenience all the time.
    That is how some people like to live, I don't tell others how to spend their money.
    Of couse not, a recession is so much more rewarding.


    There is no clear answer to what is efficient yet.
    We've known for a hundred years how to be more efficient than we are now!


    That's why your proposing massive spending on R&D which is wasteful.
    Right, I forgot, we don't act until we are in another Great Depression. Brilliant!


    Businesses can spend their own money researching what is the best way to create better energy efficiency.
    Yeah the energy companies have so much incentive to provide cheap sources of energy when they are making the most profit in history, how could I have forgotten that.

    But it didn't work.
    It was working until it was scrapped. But you are correct, once it was scrapped by Reagan, it didn't work worth a darn!

    You can blame Reagan et all, but if it were such a great plan, the nation would of rioted when it was cut.
    Nation was acting under the leadership of an actor, who scrapped the energy plan and took the solar panels off the whitehouse and told people to party like it was 1959!




    I'm not complaining, I know how to ration my own resources to the point of enjoying my life just fine and I'm not rich.
    I am glad you are happy our country is in a recession and 1 in 7 Americans live in poverty. I suppose you will be ecstatic when gas prices are $6 a gallon and your electric bill is $500 a month. Good times!

    Besides, why should the government do stuff just because people complain.
    People complain about a ton of dumb crap, much of which is their own doing.
    The country should do it because it is in the best long term interest of our country. That is why China has moved ahead of us in energy efficiency and in alternative energy, they think long-term. It is why we have to go to them for money to keep us afloat.

    There you go again, all or nothing. There is no reasoning with you.
    I do like independent energy things, but you turd up what could be an interesting discussion, with your political love fest, with whatever your favorite politician wants to do.
    You haven't tried reason yet, that is the problem. You are thinking in terms of what is best for you personally in the short-term. I saw the need for energy conservation before you were born and before the president was a grownup. :"sun
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Streamlining the tax code, good.

    Supporting institutional R&D and further incentivising commuter rail (I think that's what it means), bad.
    Are you talking about the tax credit for R&D?
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