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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most of Europe already had high population densities, makes it easy to implement useful mass transit services.
    On the other hand, we have been dispersed, with exceptions.
    For the second time, I am not talking about transportation, I am talking about our energy inefficiency in our residential, commercial, and industrial uses of energy?
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    They built their infrastructure later than we did.
    Do you think that is going to be a disadvantage for our economy that we haven't upgraded to more efficient uses of energy as prices continue to rise? That is my point.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For the second time, I am not talking about transportation, I am talking about our energy inefficiency in our residential, commercial, and industrial uses of energy?
    Transportation is a commercial and industrial usage of energy.

    There are lots of potential solutions, but focusing on single things and thinking they can apply everywhere won't cut it.
    We have to examine the many different situations that people live in and apply the appropriate energy solution to that.

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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you think that is going to be a disadvantage for our economy that we haven't upgraded to more efficient uses of energy as prices continue to rise? That is my point.
    I think no one is willing to invest in completely redesigning the energy distribution until the cost of nothing doing so becomes prohibitive. Obama wanted to create a smart energy grind, but he attached it to things the repubs couldn't stand so it got voted down.

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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Transportation is a commercial and industrial usage of energy.

    There are lots of potential solutions, but focusing on single things and thinking they can apply everywhere won't cut it.
    We have to examine the many different situations that people live in and apply the appropriate energy solution to that.

    If it makes you feel any better, I use CFL's because it saves me money long term.
    I am not talking about single things. I am talking about the energy efficiency rating for the whole country. If we are 35th in energy efficiency in the world that means no matter what energy source we use we are going to be spending much, much more that the other industrialized world for energy, which is going to handicap our ability to have a strong economy as compared with the rest of the industrialized world that has much higher efficiencies.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am not talking about single things. I am talking about the energy efficiency rating for the whole country. If we are 35th in energy efficiency in the world that means no matter what energy source we use we are going to be spending much, much more that the other industrialized world for energy, which is going to handicap our ability to have a strong economy as compared with the rest of the industrialized world that has much higher efficiencies.
    In some circumstances we can afford to be more energy inefficient, in other we can't.

    Increasing national energy efficiency requires that application of single things.
    It doesn't materialize from fiat.

    There has to be a reason for a nation to be more energy efficient though.
    Sometimes cost isn't enough reason for most people, sometimes it is.
    Depends on each situation and "single thing."
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I think no one is willing to invest in completely redesigning the energy distribution until the cost of nothing doing so becomes prohibitive. Obama wanted to create a smart energy grind, but he attached it to things the repubs couldn't stand so it got voted down.
    We had a plan 3 decades ago to start building energy efficient designs into our residential, commercial and industrial, and it was working, until we elected the oil president and it was all scrapped. This is not all new technology either. Passive solar design was used in colonial times when energy was not readily available, there is so much we could do that we are not doing that is only going to make it harder on ourselves in the future. That's all I'm saying.

    There was funding for power grid upgrades in the stimulus ~

    Stimulus Funds To Help Modernize the National Power Grid

    And you say there were funds in addition to that that got voted down?
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

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    Stimulus Funds To Help Modernize the National Power Grid

    And you say there were funds in addition to that that got voted down?
    AFIK, in Obama's Energy legislation there was to be a massive investment in modernizing the national energy grid to a "smart grind" system that basically directs power to were it needs to go instead of just pumping it out like what happens now. Included in that legislation, IRRC was things repubs couldn't stand like Cap and Trade maybe.

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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We had a plan 3 decades ago to start building energy efficient designs into our residential, commercial and industrial, and it was working, until we elected the oil president and it was all scrapped. This is not all new technology either. Passive solar design was used in colonial times when energy was not readily available, there is so much we could do that we are not doing that is only going to make it harder on ourselves in the future. That's all I'm saying.

    There was funding for power grid upgrades in the stimulus ~

    Stimulus Funds To Help Modernize the National Power Grid

    And you say there were funds in addition to that that got voted down?
    You're too focused on top down planning, that's the problem.

    We don't need presidents and congresses proposing national plans.
    Not every region in the nation needs all of these things.

    Would you create a national plan to install solar panels on all houses when many of them, wouldn't have the same cost benefit as others?
    No that's dumb, but that tends to be the case with government plans.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    AFIK, in Obama's Energy legislation there was to be a massive investment in modernizing the national energy grid to a "smart grind" system that basically directs power to were it needs to go instead of just pumping it out like what happens now. Included in that legislation, IRRC was things repubs couldn't stand like Cap and Trade maybe.
    Wouldn't it be better to find a way to make it a competitive market, instead of perpetuating the current government granted monopoly?
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