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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

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    The first "internet" was invented by Samuel Morse.
    The internet was invented in concept form by Tesla, the monopolies of the railroads had to be bailed out.
    The internet was a result of the work of many researchers. And yes, the gov't was involved. Why do cons constantly act like gov't doesn't contribute anything to infrastructure or our society in general? What they have is money, And they can get a lot done with it if it's used properly.

    The Invention of the Internet — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

    Unlike technologies such as the light bulb or the telephone, the Internet has no single “inventor.” Instead, it has evolved over time. The Internet got its start in the United States more than 50 years ago as a government weapon in the Cold War. For years, scientists and researchers used it to communicate and share data with one another.
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    High speed rail is a joke.
    People prefer to drive, the rail lines are monstrously expensive and require lots of expensive upkeep.
    Amtrak is bleeding money.

    Private inventors and researchers can do all they need with their money.
    High speed rail is a joke? Yeah, whatever. The joke is on the USA. Nothing will ever get done because people like you keep voting for more people like you - people who have no interest in energy conservation; people who would prefer to drive their American-made trucks everywhere rather than support rail systems that would greatly reduce highway congestion and save the USA loads of money in oil consumption.


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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    No, they didn't. Senate Dems couldn't pass anything without 60 votes. You know that. Everybody knows that. So why the continual lies from the right? And when are you going to hold Repubs responsible for anything? Just because Dems couldn't get some legislation passed doesn't mean Repubs have no responsibility to govern.
    They could have passed it, they had 59 solid votes, not my fault Ted Kennedys Seat went Red.

    All they had to do was be a little "bi-Partisan" but refused. Now they are FORCED TOO and it's all cheers and joy for "bi-Partisanship!"
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They could have passed it, they had 59 solid votes, not my fault Ted Kennedys Seat went Red.

    All they had to do was be a little "bi-Partisan" but refused. Now they are FORCED TOO and it's all cheers and joy for "bi-Partisanship!"
    You mean like how the dems abaonded single payer and public options

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So, let me wrap my head around this here "bi-partisan" cheering. From 2008-2010 the Dems had unassailable control of the WH, House and Senate in terms of passing basically.. anything they wanted too. However, because they couldn't reach internal partisan compromise, it was the Republicans fault. Now that they House went Right, the Dems are FORCED to compromise and suddenly it's a "Kum baya" affair?
    Are you really forgetting about the dozens of Republican filibusters in the Senate? Really? Its only been 2 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    High speed rail is a joke..
    Its only a joke in the US because of entrenched interest. Most of the world has light-high speed rail systems that are cost effective and are in high use. Since most can agree that facilitating interstate commerce is one of the few jobs the federal government should perform, then why shouldn't the gov help establish a high speed rail system if it proves to be effective, at the very least through the use of land grants?

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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    The internet was a result of the work of many researchers. And yes, the gov't was involved. Why do cons constantly act like gov't doesn't contribute anything to infrastructure or our society in general? What they have is money, And they can get a lot done with it if it's used properly.
    Your article is wrong.
    Tesla conceptualized the computer internet way before the cold war.

    Morse invented the first North American version of the internet.
    You may not like it, but that doesn't make it not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    High speed rail is a joke? Yeah, whatever. The joke is on the USA. Nothing will ever get done because people like you keep voting for more people like you - people who have no interest in energy conservation; people who would prefer to drive their American-made trucks everywhere rather than support rail systems that would greatly reduce highway congestion and save the USA loads of money in oil consumption.
    Really, do you even know what it costs and who it serves with these supposed high speed rail networks being proposed?

    Carting 5000 people a year, in slightly faster trains (they aren't high speed like you think) cutting the travel time down by 20 mins, all for billions of dollars.
    Woo, I can't wait.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Its only a joke in the US because of entrenched interest. Most of the world has light-high speed rail systems that are cost effective and are in high use. Since most can agree that facilitating interstate commerce is one of the few jobs the federal government should perform, then why shouldn't the gov help establish a high speed rail system if it proves to be effective, at the very least through the use of land grants?
    Did you know, that most of Europe is switching to cars and that rail usage is declining?
    Did you know, that to support these high speed rail projects, they are taking money from road maintenance funds?
    Did you know, that the rail project in California (it's stalled because most have figured out that it's a moronic waste of money) connects two small towns outside of major cities and is not connecting major cities to major cities?

    Better to let automated cars work for us, they exist already and just require that states remove legislation currently making them illegal.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    Carting 5000 people a year, in slightly faster trains (they aren't high speed like you think) cutting the travel time down by 20 mins, all for billions of dollars.
    Woo, I can't wait.
    Once again China takes the lead on the future:

    China unveils fastest train in world

    "The CRH380 train uses domestic technology and has been clocked reaching almost 262mph, a world record - athough it will usually operate at a maximum speed of 220mph.

    The 126-mile journey between Hangzhou and Shanghai's western suburb of Hongqiao will take the new bullet trains only 45 minutes to complete.

    China is aiming to have 10,000 miles of high speed rail in operation by 2012."

    (See video at link below)

    Video: China unveils fastest train in world - Telegraph
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Once again China takes the lead on the future:

    China unveils fastest train in world

    "The CRH380 train uses domestic technology and has been clocked reaching almost 262mph, a world record - athough it will usually operate at a maximum speed of 220mph.

    The 126-mile journey between Hangzhou and Shanghai's western suburb of Hongqiao will take the new bullet trains only 45 minutes to complete.

    China is aiming to have 10,000 miles of high speed rail in operation by 2012."

    (See video at link below)

    Video: China unveils fastest train in world - Telegraph
    The whole project is upside down in debt and if you include the ridiculous real estate bubble China is pumping itself into, it may be a huge problem in the near future, to maintain their HSR.

    China is building that for dick wagging purposes, like the biggest mall in the world, that hardly has any businesses or patrons after 5 years.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Did you know, that most of Europe is switching to cars and that rail usage is declining?
    Did you know, that to support these high speed rail projects, they are taking money from road maintenance funds?
    Did you know, that the rail project in California (it's stalled because most have figured out that it's a moronic waste of money) connects two small towns outside of major cities and is not connecting major cities to major cities?

    Better to let automated cars work for us, they exist already and just require that states remove legislation currently making them illegal.
    Did you know that we are facing an energy crisis and that the US has one of the lowest energy efficiency ratings in the industrialized world?

    Did you know what a desadvantage that presents to an economy trying to grow with and ever increasing price for energy?


    " ‘Energy efficiency is not as visible and is not as sexy as some other energy sources,’ he says. ‘It’s the insulation in your walls, the more efficient compressor in your factory, or the improved control system in your office building. It is not as visible or sexy as say a wind turbine or a photovoltaic panel.’

    A report released by ACEEE on Capitol Hill in conjunction with Senator Jeff Merkley, found that the American Power Act, recently introduced by Senators John Kerry and Joseph Lieberman, would benefit from greater emphasis on energy efficiency measures.

    It said by enhancing these provisions the number of jobs created would nearly triple, energy savings would quadruple and consumer savings would increase by about $200 per household, per year."
    NewNet News - US legislation needs to prioritise energy efficiency


    Did you know that trains are a much more efficient use of energy than cars?


    "UK freight trains average about 1.5–2.0 MPG loaded. Compared with road transport it is very efficient; if lorries did the same trip they would use 70% more fuel than a freight train."
    Fuel efficiency in transportation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The whole project is upside down in debt and if you include the ridiculous real estate bubble China is pumping itself into, it may be a huge problem in the near future, to maintain their HSR.

    China is building that for dick wagging purposes, like the biggest mall in the world, that hardly has any businesses or patrons after 5 years.
    You have anything to back up your opinion? They already have 7,000 miles of high-speed rail and are on target for having 10,000 miles in 2012.
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    Re: Is Congress quietly set for a jobs compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you know that we are facing an energy crisis and that the US has one of the lowest energy efficiency ratings in the industrialized world?

    Did you know what a desadvantage that presents to an economy trying to grow with and ever increasing price for energy?


    " ‘Energy efficiency is not as visible and is not as sexy as some other energy sources,’ he says. ‘It’s the insulation in your walls, the more efficient compressor in your factory, or the improved control system in your office building. It is not as visible or sexy as say a wind turbine or a photovoltaic panel.’

    A report released by ACEEE on Capitol Hill in conjunction with Senator Jeff Merkley, found that the American Power Act, recently introduced by Senators John Kerry and Joseph Lieberman, would benefit from greater emphasis on energy efficiency measures.

    It said by enhancing these provisions the number of jobs created would nearly triple, energy savings would quadruple and consumer savings would increase by about $200 per household, per year."
    NewNet News - US legislation needs to prioritise energy efficiency


    Did you know that trains are a much more efficient use of energy than cars?


    "UK freight trains average about 1.5–2.0 MPG loaded. Compared with road transport it is very efficient; if lorries did the same trip they would use 70% more fuel than a freight train."
    Fuel efficiency in transportation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That does nothing to change the fact that the majority of high speed rail systems are not in demand enough to not need bailouts from their respective governments.

    The majority of Amtraks lines are consistently in the red because there is no ridership.

    The Chinese HSR project isn't earning enough money to pay it's loans.
    People say they want this crap, but they don't use it.
    It's a boondoggle.
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